The Evil thread.

[Dajjal]

Here is a test thread to see if I get banned.

CAUSE AFTER THE DEATH THREATS AND ARAB CURSES I GOT ON IH I DONNA GIVE A FLYING FUCK ANYWAY.

So come on and ban me for all I care. Or if you want to take an objective view, I am just trying to push the envelope, to see how far I can get.

COME ON ALL YOU DEGENERATES.

Lets see what you got on this thread.

Or at least we will know where the boundarys are when we all get banned.

Cause I am not sure it is worth the trouble of posting if I cannot get serious Muslims taking out Fatwas on me because their death threats are censored.

I WANT MY FUCKING DEATH THREATS.

Cause I like to print them out and frame them,and hang them on the wall.

[Dajjal]

Here are my favorite death threats from a muslim maniac on IH. In reverse order. I believe the bastard, and I keep a gun under my bed.


Quote from IH.

HEY! I must be getting through to some muslims, because I have had death threats and Arab curses on me. Here is a death threat I am very proud of, that I got from the arsehole that wrote to President Bush warning him of nuclear attacks on New York and Washington.

daleelAlmojahid
la elaah elaa alaaah

Registered: Dec 2003
Location:
Posts: 82
May God send you to where you dont beleive exists
i swear to God and i will keep my promise.

you will get what you have asked for.

alaah akbaar
daleel_almojahid


Originally posted by daleelAlmojahid
if you are going to open your mouth one more time regarding the phrophit Mohammed i promise you that i wont die before i make sure that my sword has struck deep into your heart !!i swear to God and i will keep my promise , and you dont know what a muslims swear is!!!

respect your self so that others would respect you, we are not in a barn here , there is a zoo espicaly made for animals and pigs.

Respect!! remmber this word!!!


alaah akbaar
daleel_almojahid

[exitwound]

heh....I think you'll find that even though we try to moderate effectively, I plan to be a lot less reactionary than IH was or even most sites are about that stuff.

There are things in the terms of service of my ad networks that I will eventually probably have to be careful about, and there are points at which the headaches of allowing free run of the place won't be worth it, but for now....say whatever the fuck you want.

For example: BECAUSE I HAVE MUSLIM FRIENDS, I HAVE BEEN INFECTED BY THE ISLAM-CHILD-RAPE BRAIN VIRUS AND NOW I AM PLANNING TO HACK DAJJAL TO LITTLE PIECES USING A SET OF RUSTY GRAPEFRUIT SPOONS!

How's that for a death threat? :twisted:

[Dajjal]

heh....I think you'll find that even though we try to moderate effectively, I plan to be a lot less reactionary than IH was or even most sites are about that stuff.

There are things in the terms of service of my ad networks that I will eventually probably have to be careful about, and there are points at which the headaches of allowing free run of the place won't be worth it, but for now....say whatever the fuck you want.

For example: BECAUSE I HAVE MUSLIM FRIENDS, I HAVE BEEN INFECTED BY THE ISLAM-CHILD-RAPE BRAIN VIRUS AND NOW I AM PLANNING TO HACK DAJJAL TO LITTLE PIECES USING A SET OF RUSTY GRAPEFRUIT SPOONS!

How's that for a death threat? :twisted:

Bah! you wait till you get an Arab curse on you, here is my favorite.

Hey, you might like to read a curse I have on me too. BAH! Don't make me laugh.
The Allah decribed in the quran was invented to scare silly Arabs in the sixth century. Not people that have studied philosophy and computer science through the second half of the twenieth century.
DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH. THE TIME FOR ISLAM IS NEARLY OVER. THE WAR ON TERRORISM WILL BE WON, AND THE CHILDREN OF MUSLIMS WILL EMBRACE THE WEST, AND ISLAM WILL BE FORGOTTEN.
YOU CAN THANK BIN LADEN FOR THAT, MUSLIM FOOLS.


Originally posted by Abdul_Adheem
Wow, daj (I won't refer to you as dajjal as you would like to be, as you are not him).

I never though I would actually make a du'aa (suplication) agains't someone on a forum, but your total lack of decency and respect warrants nothing less.

May Allah (God) curse you and you lies, may His wrath fall upon you in this life and the life to come. May the worst of punishments await you in al-nar-ul jahaanam (the fire of hell), may your familly be guided upon the straigh path and abandon you for your transgression in not only islam, but in human decency. I ask Allah that His guidance be upon those in this forum who don't refer to such mockeries and insults of the prophet (salaallahu aalayhi wa salam) and islam, and may his curse be upon those who lie in matters of religion (be it non muslim or muslim).

la illah il allah wa la hawla wa la quwata illah billahi al-aly al-adheem.

allahuma swalai aalah muhammadin wa ala ali wa ala sababi wa ala ansari saydina muhammad.

ameen

[GBA]

NOW I FIND THERE REALLY IS STEALTHISM, AND IT IS A CHRISTIAN PLOT TO DESTROY ISLAM.


Yeah, well quit blaming everything on the Christians, ya Islamic bootlick !

And learn how to use the quote function ya maroon, even nuggy figured that one out.
:twisted:

[Dajjal]

NOW I FIND THERE REALLY IS STEALTHISM, AND IT IS A CHRISTIAN PLOT TO DESTROY ISLAM.


Yeah, well quit blaming everything on the Christians, ya Islamic bootlick !

And learn how to use the quote function ya maroon, even nuggy figured that one out.
:twisted:

WHAT?

Oh! go stick your head up your arse. Next you will be quoting jas2000.

[GlteByAsocashun]

Well I won't put a "curse" on you (cuz you would probably like that) but I do hope that one day you will extract your head from your bunghole. :twisted:

[Lamb o' God]

heh....I think you'll find that even though we try to moderate effectively, I plan to be a lot less reactionary than IH was or even most sites are about that stuff.

There are things in the terms of service of my ad networks that I will eventually probably have to be careful about, and there are points at which the headaches of allowing free run of the place won't be worth it, but for now....say whatever the fuck you want.

For example: BECAUSE I HAVE MUSLIM FRIENDS, I HAVE BEEN INFECTED BY THE ISLAM-CHILD-RAPE BRAIN VIRUS AND NOW I AM PLANNING TO HACK DAJJAL TO LITTLE PIECES USING A SET OF RUSTY GRAPEFRUIT SPOONS!

How's that for a death threat? :twisted:

Your threat is kind of pedestrian compared to what I've read in the Koran recently, exitwound.

Perhaps you can "spice it up a bit" by reading the Holy books of Islam first?

Just a suggestion. :roll:

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

[GlteByAsocashun]

heh....I think you'll find that even though we try to moderate effectively, I plan to be a lot less reactionary than IH was or even most sites are about that stuff.

There are things in the terms of service of my ad networks that I will eventually probably have to be careful about, and there are points at which the headaches of allowing free run of the place won't be worth it, but for now....say whatever the fuck you want.

For example: BECAUSE I HAVE MUSLIM FRIENDS, I HAVE BEEN INFECTED BY THE ISLAM-CHILD-RAPE BRAIN VIRUS AND NOW I AM PLANNING TO HACK DAJJAL TO LITTLE PIECES USING A SET OF RUSTY GRAPEFRUIT SPOONS!

How's that for a death threat? :twisted:

Your threat is kind of pedestrian compared to what I've read in the Koran recently, exitwound.

Perhaps you can "spice it up a bit" by reading the Holy books of Islam first?

Just a suggestion. :roll:

Blessings,
~a lamb of God
Oh please. Have you tried reading the OT recently.

[exitwound]

\Your threat is kind of pedestrian compared to what I've read in the Koran recently, exitwound.

Perhaps you can "spice it up a bit" by reading the Holy books of Islam first?

Just a suggestion. :roll:

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

Well, it's been a little while but I *have* read most of the Quran; next up are the Suras...

[Nyar]

\Your threat is kind of pedestrian compared to what I've read in the Koran recently, exitwound.

Perhaps you can "spice it up a bit" by reading the Holy books of Islam first?

Just a suggestion. :roll:

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

Well, it's been a little while but I *have* read most of the Quran; next up are the Suras...why read when you can cut and paste from anti-muslim websites like http://www.prophetofdoom.net

[Freewwwebflyer]

:roll: So far this is a half-ass thread. You need new material. The biggest problem with mainstream Muslims is they don't take a public stand against the extremists which makes it look like they are condoning their actions. :roll:

[GlteByAsocashun]

:roll: So far this is a half-ass thread. You need new material. The biggest problem with mainstream Muslims is they don't take a public stand against the extremists which makes it look like they are condoning their actions. :roll:
So what. It isn't my job or problem to police my brothers.

[Dajjal]

Heh! Heh!

Listen here, I am in no way trying to undermine this forum, as I love it and I need it, cause it allows me to say bad things. AND I NEED THAT.

So it is no disrespect to Exitwound and the fourm, that I started a thread at the CornCob. I just did that because it had a religion section, and because for the purposes of criticising the Quran in a semi academic manner, some censorship is good.
(cause it stops the likes of jas2000 messing it up.Heh!)
So here is a link to my on going Quranic criticism.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t =159&start=0&mforum=thecob

[GBA]

So what. It isn't my job or problem to police my brothers.

Yes it is, now hop to it !

[undertaker]

:roll: So far this is a half-ass thread. You need new material. The biggest problem with mainstream Muslims is they don't take a public stand against the extremists which makes it look like they are condoning their actions. :roll:
So what. It isn't my job or problem to police my brothers.

Then who's job is it?

Orson

[Dajjal]

Oh please. Have you tried reading the OT recently.

If you read the Quran, you are reading the Old Testament. Bah! ha, ha.

[Freewwwebflyer]

:roll: So far this is a half-ass thread. You need new material. The biggest problem with mainstream Muslims is they don't take a public stand against the extremists which makes it look like they are condoning their actions. :roll:
So what. It isn't my job or problem to police my brothers.Your "brothers" are dragging you down and impuning your reputation. If Islam wants to be a religion of "peace" then it is time for the mainstream Muslims to "clean house"! :wink:

[Dajjal]

[/quote]Your "brothers" are dragging you down and impuning your reputation. If Islam wants to be a religion of "peace" then it is time for the mainstream Muslims to "clean house"! :wink:[/quote]

I have considered various ways of dealing with Islam, like coverting them to Christianity, but that has been tried since Islam first emerged from the desert. So after long deliberation I decide Islam is one too many religions in this world, and it has to go. For one thing it is all lies from a false prophet, and for another it is a blasphemy, and an insult to the true God.

[Dajjal]

For all the search engines out there that no longer find my stuff at IH, here is some bile, to drag muslims to this forum.

If God wanted us to throw ourselves on all fours and whine like Dogs, he would not have allowed us to evolve an upright spine.

But muslims cannot believe in modern cosmology, because they think the heaven and earth were created in six thousand years.

WELL THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT STUDY GEOLOGY.

Nor can muslims accept evolution theory, as Harun Yahya points out on his web site, and in his many books.

That is why they visit a hill near Mecca during the Hajj. Where they are told Adam and Eve first met. Shortly before they are taken off to throw stones at concrete pillars that represent the Devil. Where they traditionally crush hundreds of people to death in the scrum.

OH! GET A BLOODY BRAIN.

I spit on the Quran, and I curse Muhammad, and I despise Allah.

IF THAT BEAST ALLAH TRIES TO BURN ME IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.

That will be the biggest mistake he ever, ever made. Because just as soon as I get used to having my skin burnt off, and boiling water poured on my head. I am going to start a war against Allah until he is destroyed.

Once I have destroyed Allah I will invade his heaven, so do not feel your heaven in silken robes by flowing streams can be regarded as eternal.

CAUSE WHEN I FIND A WAY TO DESTROY ALLAH I WILL COME FOR YOU.

By then I will be able to breath fire, and I will breath it all over you.

IF THERE NEVER WAS A DEVIL, THERE IS ONE NOW.

[Freewwwebflyer]

ANY religion taken to the extreme is bullshit. These dirtbags take out the parts they want to believe and then base their entire "cause" on the distorted image that THEY have created. Round them up and send them to their so-called prophet. I'll bet those 72 virgins all look like Michael Moore! :lol:

[Mudshark]

Here is a test thread to see if I get banned.

CAUSE AFTER THE DEATH THREATS AND ARAB CURSES I GOT ON IH I DONNA GIVE A FLYING FUCK ANYWAY.

So come on and ban me for all I care. Or if you want to take an objective view, I am just trying to push the envelope, to see how far I can get.

COME ON ALL YOU DEGENERATES.

Lets see what you got on this thread.

Or at least we will know where the boundarys are when we all get banned.

Cause I am not sure it is worth the trouble of posting if I cannot get serious Muslims taking out Fatwas on me because their death threats are censored.

I WANT MY FUCKING DEATH THREATS.

Cause I like to print them out and frame them,and hang them on the wall.

Time for you to take your pills again Daj :lol:

[Dajjal]

ANY religion taken to the extreme is bullshit. These dirtbags take out the parts they want to believe and then base their entire "cause" on the distorted image that THEY have created. Round them up and send them to their so-called prophet. I'll bet those 72 virgins all look like Michael Moore! :lol:

People, Regis from IH among them. Probably think I am mean and nasty. But I know you have to be cruel to be kind.

I do not think of myself as a hate monger, more of a slayer of untruths.

Muslims would not see it, but I am just trying to set them free.

[Dajjal]

Time for you to take your pills again Daj :lol:

That would be some pill, cause it would have to wipe away most of my brain cells, and turn me back into a monkey. Because it would take near brain death, to make a muslim out of me.

[exitwound]

People, Regis from IH among them. Probably think I am mean and nasty. But I know you have to be cruel to be kind.

I do not think of myself as a hate monger, more of a slayer of untruths.

Muslims would not see it, but I am just trying to set them free.

You could always try telling them that while you're assaulting everything they know and love :roll: :wink:

[Dajjal]

People, Regis from IH among them. Probably think I am mean and nasty. But I know you have to be cruel to be kind.

I do not think of myself as a hate monger, more of a slayer of untruths.

Muslims would not see it, but I am just trying to set them free.

You could always try telling them that while you're assaulting everything they know and love :roll: :wink:

Heh! well I know it seems hard at first, but in the end I hold out hope that muslims are people just like us, as they have the same sized brains.

SO WHY WOULD I PATRONISE THEM, WHEN I CAN TELL THE TRUTH.

As it happens I can tell them the truth, because of my extensive personal experience of other worldy matters. But all that stuff has been wiped away with the end of IH. So I am just trying to make a new start, and in the course of time I will explain all I know about the practical occult, from personal experience. Then I might begin to reprogram some Muslims.

BUT FIRST I HAVE TO BAIT THE HOOK.

[involved]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....have you checked your closet for the boggyman?hahahahahaha!!! "Demons Be gone!!!"hahahahahahaha,You behave like a bigot and you expect compliments?hahahahahaha..maybe he should have invited you to dinner for some civil conversation..hahahahahahaha, thanks I needed that..hahahahahahahahahahahah..belly ache....falling off chair....must ..hahahahahahahahahaha...fight flash backs of Bush speeches..hahahaha! quote="Dajjal"]Here are my favorite death threats from a muslim maniac on IH. In reverse order. I believe the bastard, and I keep a gun under my bed.


Quote from IH.

HEY! I must be getting through to some muslims, because I have had death threats and Arab curses on me. Here is a death threat I am very proud of, that I got from the arsehole that wrote to President Bush warning him of nuclear attacks on New York and Washington.

daleelAlmojahid
la elaah elaa alaaah

Registered: Dec 2003
Location:
Posts: 82
May God send you to where you dont beleive exists
i swear to God and i will keep my promise.

you will get what you have asked for.

alaah akbaar
daleel_almojahid


Originally posted by daleelAlmojahid
if you are going to open your mouth one more time regarding the phrophit Mohammed i promise you that i wont die before i make sure that my sword has struck deep into your heart !!i swear to God and i will keep my promise , and you dont know what a muslims swear is!!!

respect your self so that others would respect you, we are not in a barn here , there is a zoo espicaly made for animals and pigs.

Respect!! remmber this word!!!


alaah akbaar
daleel_almojahid[/quote]

[involved]

Didn't Bush visit the pope? and I agree with you on evolution and that religion has been explioted and abused by all including,Muslims,Christians and Israel Zionists.You sound a little extreme but nobody has put you into a labled garbage bin.I'm not religious but that doesn't mean people of faith are all crazy,just a selected variety.And speaking of fruitloops there are some right wing wombats in the US that are trying to label evolution as theory and religion as a science,all the while sitting on their tailbones on a melting iceberg.Bullcrap. For all the search engines out there that no longer find my stuff at IH, here is some bile, to drag muslims to this forum.

If God wanted us to throw ourselves on all fours and whine like Dogs, he would not have allowed us to evolve an upright spine.

But muslims cannot believe in modern cosmology, because they think the heaven and earth were created in six thousand years.

WELL THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT STUDY GEOLOGY.

Nor can muslims accept evolution theory, as Harun Yahya points out on his web site, and in his many books.

That is why they visit a hill near Mecca during the Hajj. Where they are told Adam and Eve first met. Shortly before they are taken off to throw stones at concrete pillars that represent the Devil. Where they traditionally crush hundreds of people to death in the scrum.

OH! GET A BLOODY BRAIN.

I spit on the Quran, and I curse Muhammad, and I despise Allah.

IF THAT BEAST ALLAH TRIES TO BURN ME IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.

That will be the biggest mistake he ever, ever made. Because just as soon as I get used to having my skin burnt off, and boiling water poured on my head. I am going to start a war against Allah until he is destroyed.

Once I have destroyed Allah I will invade his heaven, so do not feel your heaven in silken robes by flowing streams can be regarded as eternal.

CAUSE WHEN I FIND A WAY TO DESTROY ALLAH I WILL COME FOR YOU.

By then I will be able to breath fire, and I will breath it all over you.

IF THERE NEVER WAS A DEVIL, THERE IS ONE NOW.

[Master Chief]

Hmmmmmm... just so long as people don't start blatant flame wars and whatnot, not much banning will take place unless things get REALLY out of hand.

[Lamb o' God]

Didn't Bush visit the pope? and I agree with you on evolution and that religion has been explioted and abused by all including,Muslims,Christians and Israel Zionists.You sound a little extreme but nobody has put you into a labled garbage bin.I'm not religious but that doesn't mean people of faith are all crazy,just a selected variety.And speaking of fruitloops there are some right wing wombats in the US that are trying to label evolution as theory and religion as a science,all the while sitting on their tailbones on a melting iceberg.Bullcrap. For all the search engines out there that no longer find my stuff at IH, here is some bile, to drag muslims to this forum.

If God wanted us to throw ourselves on all fours and whine like Dogs, he would not have allowed us to evolve an upright spine.

But muslims cannot believe in modern cosmology, because they think the heaven and earth were created in six thousand years.

WELL THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT STUDY GEOLOGY.

Nor can muslims accept evolution theory, as Harun Yahya points out on his web site, and in his many books.

That is why they visit a hill near Mecca during the Hajj. Where they are told Adam and Eve first met. Shortly before they are taken off to throw stones at concrete pillars that represent the Devil. Where they traditionally crush hundreds of people to death in the scrum.

OH! GET A BLOODY BRAIN.

I spit on the Quran, and I curse Muhammad, and I despise Allah.

IF THAT BEAST ALLAH TRIES TO BURN ME IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.

That will be the biggest mistake he ever, ever made. Because just as soon as I get used to having my skin burnt off, and boiling water poured on my head. I am going to start a war against Allah until he is destroyed.

Once I have destroyed Allah I will invade his heaven, so do not feel your heaven in silken robes by flowing streams can be regarded as eternal.

CAUSE WHEN I FIND A WAY TO DESTROY ALLAH I WILL COME FOR YOU.

By then I will be able to breath fire, and I will breath it all over you.

IF THERE NEVER WAS A DEVIL, THERE IS ONE NOW.

Well...to be sure INVOLVED, Evolution (Macro Evolution) is a theory: It cannot be repeated using the scientific method. This is the standard for declaring something scientifically sound. If it doesn't meet this criteria, then it is only a theory.

Micro-Evolution, on the other hand is not a theory...as it has been shown to be scientific using the moths in England.

So the truth of the matter is that when it comes to Macro Evloution (i.e. men descended from single cells from the sea), it is a theory...

That's if you want to be scientific about it... :wink:

Otherwise (and here is the real irony...) you are free to believe in the religion of evolution all you want. It's a free country~!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Blessings,
~a lamb of God[/b]

[involved]

1. What is evolution?
Biological evolution refers to the cumulative changes that occur in a population over time. These changes are produced at the genetic level as organisms' genes mutate and/or recombine in different ways during reproduction and are passed on to future generations. Sometimes, individuals inherit new characteristics that give them a survival and reproductive advantage in their local environments; these characteristics tend to increase in frequency in the population, while those that are disadvantageous decrease in frequency. This process of differential survival and reproduction is known as natural selection. Non-genetic changes that occur during an organism's life span, such as increases in muscle mass due to exercise and diet, cannot be passed on to the next generation and are not examples of evolution.
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2. Isn't evolution just a theory that remains unproven?
In science, a theory is a rigorously tested statement of general principles that explains observable and recorded aspects of the world. A scientific theory therefore describes a higher level of understanding that ties "facts" together. A scientific theory stands until proven wrong -- it is never proven correct. The Darwinian theory of evolution has withstood the test of time and thousands of scientific experiments; nothing has disproved it since Darwin first proposed it more than 150 years ago. Indeed, many scientific advances, in a range of scientific disciplines including physics, geology, chemistry, and molecular biology, have supported, refined, and expanded evolutionary theory far beyond anything Darwin could have imagined.
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3. Are all species related?
Yes. Just as the tree of life illustrates, all organisms, both living and extinct, are related. Every branch of the tree represents a species, and every fork separating one species from another represents the common ancestor shared by these species. While the tree's countless forks and far-reaching branches clearly show that relatedness among species varies greatly, it is also easy to see that every pair of species share a common ancestor from some point in evolutionary history. For example, scientists estimate that the common ancestor shared by humans and chimpanzees lived some 5 to 8 million years ago. Humans and bacteria obviously share a much more distant common ancestor, but our relationship to these single-celled organisms is no less real. Indeed, DNA analyses show that although humans share far more genetic material with our fellow primates than we do with single-celled organisms, we still have more than 200 genes in common with bacteria.

It is important to realize that describing organisms as relatives does not mean that one of those organisms is an ancestor of the other, or, for that matter, that any living species is the ancestor of any other living species. A person may be related to blood relatives, such as cousins, aunts, and uncles, because she shares with them one or more common ancestors, such as a grandparent, or great-grandparent. But those cousins, aunts, and uncles are not her ancestors. In the same way, humans and other living primates are related, but none of these living relatives is a human ancestor.
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Members of one species do not normally interbreed with members of other species in nature. Sometimes, members of different species, such as lions and tigers, can interbreed if kept together in captivity. But in nature, geographic isolation and differences in behavior, such as choice of habitat, keep these sorts of closely related animal species apart. Similarly, closely related species of plants can sometimes be hybridized by horticulturists, but these hybrids are rarely found in nature. A species, then, is defined by science as a group of interbreeding or potentially interbreeding populations that is reproductively isolated from other such groups.
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5. What do genes have to do with evolution?
Genes are the portions of an organism's DNA that carry the code responsible for building that organism in a very specific way. Genes -- and, thus, the traits they code for -- are passed from parent to offspring. From generation to generation, well-understood molecular mechanisms reshuffle, duplicate, and alter genes in a way that produces genetic variation. This variation is the raw material for evolution.
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6. What role does sex play in evolution?
Sexual reproduction allows an organism to combine half of its genes with half of another individual's genes, which means new combinations of genes are produced every generation. In addition, when eggs and sperm are produced, genetic material is shuffled and recombined in ways that produce new combinations of genes. Sexual reproduction thus increases genetic variation, which increases the raw material on which natural selection operates. Genetic variation within a species -- also known as genetic diversity -- increases a species' opportunity for change over successive generations.
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7. Is evolution a random process?
Evolution is not a random process. The genetic variation on which natural selection acts may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all. The survival and reproductive success of an individual is directly related to the ways its inherited traits function in the context of its local environment. Whether or not an individual survives and reproduces depends on whether it has genes that produce traits that are well adapted to its environment.
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8. Are evolution and "survival of the fittest" the same thing?
Evolution and "survival of the fittest" are not the same thing. Evolution refers to the cumulative changes in a population or species through time. "Survival of the fittest" is a popular term that refers to the process of natural selection, a mechanism that drives evolutionary change. Natural selection works by giving individuals who are better adapted to a given set of environmental conditions an advantage over those that are not as well adapted. Survival of the fittest usually makes one think of the biggest, strongest, or smartest individuals being the winners, but in a biological sense, evolutionary fitness refers to the ability to survive and reproduce in a particular environment. Popular interpretations of "survival of the fittest" typically ignore the importance of both reproduction and cooperation. To survive but not pass on one's genes to the next generation is to be biologically unfit. And many organisms are the "fittest" because they cooperate with other organisms, rather than competing with them.
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11. Does evolution prove there is no God?
No. Many people, from evolutionary biologists to important religious figures like Pope John Paul II, contend that the time-tested theory of evolution does not refute the presence of God. They acknowledge that evolution is the description of a process that governs the development of life on Earth. Like other scientific theories, including Copernican theory, atomic theory, and the germ theory of disease, evolution deals only with objects, events, and processes in the material world. Science has nothing to say one way or the other about the existence of God or about people's spiritual beliefs.
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[involved]

There are a couple of links at the bottom for more reading on evolution.

Steven Pinker: Evolution of the Mind

Transcript:

Q: Can you talk about our origins in Africa?

A: The genetic evidence suggests that we evolved in Africa. We know that people reached Australia by forty thousand years ago, maybe earlier, which required travelling across sixty miles of open ocean, and it would have required a species with considerable intelligence to put together some kind of canoe or dugout that could have traversed that distance.

Also, probably the longer we look the more we'll find evidence for signs of human creativity and ingenuity in Africa. Europe is where you have a lot of caves, which preserve stuff, and Europe is where you have a lot of archaeologists out looking for human remains, and so I think there's a bit of a bias toward the European landscape. As people get cleverer about finding things in Africa and look longer, I suspect that we will see things beyond the age at which the European artifacts appear.

We also know that a lot of our evolution had to have taken place before the human races diverge because we're pretty much birds of a feather. If you took a bunch of human babies from anywhere around the world -- from Australia, New Guinea, Africa, Europe -- and scrambled the babies at birth and brought them up in any society, they'd all be able to learn the same languages, learn how to count, learn how to use computers, learn how to make and use tools. It suggests that the distinctively human parts of our intelligence were in place before our ancestors split off into the different continents.

So in a sense we're all Africans, and if the first group that budded off from the African population and ended up in Australia did so sixty or seventy thousand years ago, then our evolution had to have been pretty much complete by then, because today's Australians and today's Europeans and today's Asians and Africans are all the same species with pretty much indistinguishable cognitive abilities.

Q: So what happened fifty thousand years ago?

A: Human evolution, at first, seems extraordinary. How could the process that gave rise to slugs and oak trees and fish produce a creature that can fly to the moon and invent the Internet and cross the ocean in boats? Was it some kind of divine spark that made our brains special? Well, I don't think so, because I think that you can understand human evolution in terms of the ordinary process of Darwinian natural selection.

The way to understand how different species evolved is to think about the niches that they fill in an ecosystem -- basically, how they make a living. And how do humans make a living? Well, with their brains. You could think of an ecosystem as a bunch of antagonistic arms races, almost: Everything that an animal depends upon for food is the body part of some other animal or plant who would just as soon keep that body part for itself.

And so all the things that we depend on for food evolve defenses against being eaten. Animals run away, they develop spines or poisons. Plants can't very well defend themselves by their behavior, so they resort to chemical warfare, and plants are saturated with toxins and irritants to deter creatures like us who want to eat them. Now, whenever you have some kind of defensive weapon in nature, you get an offensive weapon, and vice versa. So as the hide gets thicker, the fangs get stronger and sharper, which makes the hides get thicker still, and so on.

This arms race, though, is played out in evolutionary time, and the animal can't will its skin to get thicker in its own lifetime. Now, here's the trick, I think, behind humans: We participate in this arms race -- but in our own lifetime, not in evolutionary time -- by using our brains, by developing a model of how the world works, what causes lead to what effects, and figuring out ways of defeating the defenses of other plants and animals before they can evolve countermeasures in response.

So we invent snares or camouflaged pits, or we coordinate our behavior to drive large animals and stampede them over a cliff, or ways of detoxifying plants by cooking them or fermenting them or soaking them. And because we can figure these things out in our mind's eye by learning how the world works, we can figure out how to use more of the ecosystem to our advantage, and I think that explains why these big-brained creatures became as successful over the planet as they did.

Q: How did evolution, for humans, happen so quickly? We [already] had a big brain, but how did the big brain suddenly start working?

A: Certainly humans didn't evolve to their present state in one instant, in one fell swoop, because we know that our ancestors, the species like Homo erectus and Homo habilis already had a pretty big brain for a primate of that size. They were already using tools. They were almost certainly cooperating with one another. So it's not as if our species was the first to do it; it was building on some earlier stepping stones.

And it's unlikely that it happened all at once. You have to remember that not every creature that was evolving left behind its skull or its tools for our convenience tens of thousands of years later. Most bones or most tools rot or get buried and are never found again. So the earliest date at which we find some fossil or artifact is not the point at which the species first appeared; it was probably doing its thing for many tens of thousands of years before we were lucky enough to find something that it left behind that lasted to the present day.

Q: Can you talk about the rewiring of the human brain?

A: You have to remember that human intelligence and intelligent behavior don't just come from having a whole bunch of stuff packed into our skull like meatloaf. The actual organization of behavior goes on the level of the individual nerve cells and their connections, and we have a hundred billion nerve cells, probably a hundred trillion connections. It's just mind-boggling to think of all the different ways in which they're arranged in a baby's head. And a lot of our evolution consisted not just in getting more of this stuff, but in wiring it in precise ways to support intelligence.

Q: Does Darwinian evolution allow for such internal rewiring as part of its process?

A: There are lots of ways in which Darwinian natural selection could rewire a brain. There are chemicals that are released in the growing brain that attract nerve cells, encouraging them to grow in certain pathways versus others. There are molecules at the tips of the growing neurons that can engage or not engage some target, like a lock and a key. There are rules for when brain cells die in what part of the brain, so that they might grow in one part, die off in another. All of these are under the control of genes, and as genes evolve, the way they do throughout evolution, the wiring of the brain can change.

Q: So this rewiring pattern happened progressively?

A: Yes. It's very likely that the changes in the brain didn't happen overnight. There wasn't one magical mutation that miraculously allowed us to speak and to walk upright and to cooperate with one another and to figure out how the world works; evolution doesn't work that way. It would be staggeringly improbable for one mutation to do all that. Chances are there were lots and lots of mutations over a span of tens, maybe even hundreds of thousands of years, that fine-tuned and sculpted the brain to give it all the magnificent powers that it has today.

I don't think there was a thunderclap or a divine spark that suddenly made one species smart. You can see, in our ancestors, there was a gradual expansion of the brain, there was an expansion of the complexity of tools. Even when our species evolved, it surely was spread out over tens of thousands of years. The fact that we find a whole bunch of artwork or tools in one place just means that that's when they arrived there and left some garbage that survived to the present time. But it's virtually certain that it was extended over many, many generations before that.

Q: What is a "cognitive niche"?

A: Our niche in nature, the "cognitive niche," the ability to understand the world well enough to figure out ways of manipulating it to outsmart other plants and animals. And there's several things that I think evolved at the same time to support this way of life. One of them is cause-and-effect intelligence: How do sticks break, how do rocks roll, how do things fly through the air? A second is social intelligence: How do I coordinate my behavior with other people so that we can bring about effects that one person acting alone, like Robinson Crusoe, could never have done? And I think the third is language: If I learn something, I don't get the benefit of it alone, but I can share it with my friends and relatives, I can exchange it for other kinds of commodities, I can negotiate deals, I can gossip to make sure that I don't get exploited.

So, each one of these abilities -- intelligence about the world, social intelligence, and language -- I think reinforces the other two, and it's very likely that the three of them coevolved like a ratchet, each one setting the stage for the other two to be incremented a bit.

Q: Some scientists think that gossip was the only thing driving language.

A: Gossip is certainly one of the things that language is useful for, because it's always handy to know who needs a favor, who can offer a favor, who's available, who's under the protection of a jealous spouse. And being the first to get a piece of gossip is like engaging in insider trading: You can capitalize on an opportunity before anyone else can.

But language is useful for other things, for exchanging technical know-how -- how do you get poison out of the gland of a toad, what's the best way to make a spear, where are the berries, what's the best time of year to hunt. It's also good for one-on-one negotiations: "If you give me some of your meat, I'll give you some of my fruit"; "You and I can gang up on the leader: -- even though he's stronger than either of us, he can't beat the two of us acting together"; "If you have sex with me, I'll help bring up the children." There are all kinds of ways that language can be useful. Gossip, I think, is just one of them.

Q: So languages began just about fifty or sixty thousand years ago.

A: We really don't know when language began. It can't be any later than fifty or sixty thousand years ago because that's when the races diverged, and we know that all the races are interchangeable in their language abilities. Bring up an Australian Aborigine in New York, they'll speak English with a New York accent, or vice versa. So it had to be in place before that; it couldn't be later than fifty or sixty thousand years ago.

How much earlier? I think considerably earlier, simply because language is complicated. It's like the eyeball or the ear, and complicated organs can't evolve in one fell swoop -- they need too many mutations in order to craft this finely engineered organ. So I think language had to have had a fairly long evolutionary history.

We don't really know why it took us as long to evolve as we did, but I think there's a strong suggestion that language couldn't have evolved before other things were in place. First of all, you have to have something worth saying. What's the use of having long, flowery sentences if you have nothing interesting to communicate? If chickens had language, what would they talk about? Nothing terribly interesting.

And also, you've got to be on speaking terms with someone else. If no one else is interested in what you have to say, or if you tell someone something and they will take advantage of you and you can't expect something in return, there'd be no point in having language. So I think we evolved language when we also evolved something to say and when we also evolved to be on speaking terms with one another.

Language evolved over an extended period of time, but it seems to have coevolved with other things that all came to their present configuration about the same time, somewhere before fifty thousand years ago. Our intelligence, our language, our social interactions, all of them seem to come together at this magic point.

I think human evolution couldn't just have been driven by social completion, by people gossiping and plotting against each other, because that's the equivalent of taking in one another's laundry; it doesn't get you anywhere. I think social intelligence coevolved with physical intelligence -- figuring out how the world works. It gives you a reason to hang out together because you can accomplish things that one person couldn't, and it creates an environment in which know-how is that much more worth having because you can share it with your buddies and your kids. And so the costs of a big brain are repaid if everything you know can be multiplied in terms of sharing it with other people.

Q: We're talking about anatomically modern humans -- anatomically modern and behavioral modern are two very different things. Why didn't the others make it and why did this new group make it?

A: It's possible that once the skull had evolved to the present size, there was still more evolving to do. And that might explain the gap between the first anatomically modern human that had the same amount of brain that we had, and the first behaviorally modern human who created art and fine inventions and so on. The difference is that there could have been a lot of evolution going on inside the skull as the brain got rewired.

The actual cause of behavior is not just brain tissue acting en masse like a muscle, but it's the wiring diagram of the hundred billion different brain cells connected by a hundred trillion connections. There are so many ways in which those could be wired and many ways for the genes to bias that in one direction or another that, for a long period of time, there could have been a kind of internal rewiring even if on the outside the skull looked exactly the same.

Q: We always say that we're never going to find the answer to that because the brain doesn't fossilize. Is that true, or do you think we may find the answer?

A: We probably won't find the answer to that in the fossils because the neuron-to-neuron connections certainly don't fossilize. We'll have to be awfully clever about reconstructing it, both from the products that they left behind -- what does a functioning brain do? -- and perhaps also from clever use of genetic evidence, working backwards from the genes that build the brain today to figure out what the genes that built the brain fifty thousand years ago might have looked like. That's science fiction today, but who knows what will happen in ten or twenty or thirty years?

Q: If you look at a Neandertal skull and the skull of the modern human, they're about the same size. One failed and one succeeded. Why?

A: We don't really know why Homo sapiens succeeded and Homo neandertalensis didn't. The brains were the same size, but they may have been wired quite differently, and it could have been that there was wiring in the Homo sapiens brain that supported better language, cleverer know-how, better social coordination, that gave them an advantage. And it didn't have to be a big advantage; even an advantage of a couple of percentage points in survival rate could, over a few thousand years, have driven the less well-adapted species to extinction.

Q: What are memes?

A: Certainly, when we look around us and are amazed at all the things that Homo sapiens has wrought -- rockets that go to the moon and the Internet and modern medicine and so on -- that wasn't because our brain evolved to do those things in particular; no Robinson Crusoe thinking by himself on a desert island could have invented a rocket. It depends on the accumulation of an enormous number of discoveries that were passed on, not through the genes, but from one person to another through language and other forms of communication.

This is called cultural evolution. Some people call the units of cultural evolution memes -- little units of memory or knowledge -- and we've been accumulating them for tens of thousands of years.

So we figured out how to make nice sharp tools and our jaws and teeth became smaller. We figured out how to use the hides of other animals to stay warm and we got naked. We are now figuring out how to cure diseases, how to build shelters. And for tens of thousands of years the products of the human brain have accumulated in almost a parallel course in evolution to the changes in our bodies and brains.

These memes can be anything from styles that help you fit into a group, like turning a baseball cap around and wearing the peak in the back, to figuring out the cure for some disease or how to grow crops. So the products of the brain that have been transmitted not through the brains but through language have, for many thousands of years, been as important or more important than the actual physical stuff that we're made out of.

A lot of the creations of our brain can make up for physical deficiencies, and could actually change the course of evolution. Thousands of years ago, someone who was severely nearsighted probably wouldn't have had many descendants; he would have been eaten or fallen off a cliff a long time ago. But we invented eyeglasses and now being nearsighted has no disadvantage at all.

There are some people who might say, "Well, isn't this interfering with evolution? Wouldn't we be better off letting the diabetics and the nearsighted die an early death to improve the physical vigor of the species?" That really goes against the way that human evolution works, which is that for tens of thousands of years we've depended for our survival on our own inventions, on our own creation, and this is simply extending this process.

Q: How important, in your estimation, is Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection to the field of biology?

A: Biologists often say that nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution, and, most importantly, Darwin's theory of natural selection explains the appearance of design in living things. You look at living things, and it looks as if they've been engineered. We've got a heart that pumps blood. We've got eyes that have a transparent lens, irises that open and close in response to the light level, and muscles that move them in and out. We've got ears that record vibrations of sound, and lubricated joints in our knees and elbows.

Who put them all together? Until Darwin, it would have been completely reasonable to say, "There has to have been a cosmic engineer." For the same reason that if we see a watch we know that there has to have been a watchmaker, when we see an eyeball or a heart or an elbow, there has to have been something that designed that. Darwin showed why that is not right, that you can get the appearance of engineering in the natural world without invoking a real engineer.

Darwin's theory of natural selection explains how we find signs of engineering or design in the living world; why, whenever we look at a plant or animal, we see fantastically complicated machinery.

Q: If Darwin could see the modern world, what would he be most surprised or gratified to understand that we understand?

A: If Darwin were alive today, the discovery of biology that would have pleased him the most would have been modern genetics and DNA, because to the day that he died he was haunted by the worry that his theory wouldn't work because traits of organisms blended when they mated, that anything that was advantageous in an organism would be diluted when it mated with some other organism that didn't also have that trait, and there was no way to get evolution off the ground.

We know now that genes survive intact when organisms mate, that they are particles that don't get blended but survive in their identical form. We know that they have a physical basis, the sequence of bases in the DNA molecule. Those were the missing pieces in the theory of evolution, and that's really what convinced scientists that Darwin's theory was the correct explanation for the evolution of life on earth.

Q: Do you think he would be surprised to know how much dissension there still is around his theory?

A: I think Darwin would be surprised to learn that more than a hundred years after he proposed his theory there are still people who think it's just a theory, who have sincere doubts about it, because the evidence was quite convincing in Darwin's time. And now that the last holes of his theory have been plugged by the discoveries of genetics, by the discovery of the age of the earth, by the discovery of the chemical basis of life, no reasonable person can deny that this is overwhelmingly the best explanation we have for the evolution of life on earth.

Chimpanzees are clearly our close cousins. You cut us both open, you see the same organs. You look at our DNA and we share 98.5 percent of our DNA with chimps. But obviously, we're very different. Chimps are precariously clinging to a few patches of forest in Africa; humans have taken over the planet. What could have produced the difference?

Well, there was six million years in which our brains expanded and got rewired in ways that allow us to do completely different things. We can exchange information by making noise as we exhale -- the gift that we call language. We figure out how the world works, we make many different kinds of tools, we coordinate our behavior and exchange information. And all of these changes in cognitive evolution, in the evolution of the powers of the brain, account for why humans are making a film in which they can talk about chimpanzees rather than vice versa.

A friend of mine lived and worked with a chimpanzee for several years, and tells the story of how the chimp loved to imitate things that she did. For example, after she washed the dishes the chimp would wash the dishes, but the chimp's idea of washing the dishes was very different from ours. It went through the same muscle movements; it would pick up the sponge, let the warm water roll over his hands, would rub the sponge on the plate, but didn't get the idea that the point of washing the dishes was to get the dishes clean.

It just liked the feel of rubbing a sponge over the plate. It could wash the same dish over and over again, it could rub some of the dirt off and not get all of it off, because what it was imitating was the particular physical sequence. What it didn't think about was what was the goal of the human performing the action. And the ability to guess what other people's goals are is a key part of human intelligence, and it makes us very different from our primate cousins.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/humans/humankind/ index.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/08/index .html

[Dajjal]

This thread does not seem so evil as when I started it. Maybe it is evolving. Heh!

[Lamb o' God]

1. What is evolution?
Biological evolution refers to the cumulative changes that occur in a population over time. These changes are produced at the genetic level as organisms' genes mutate and/or recombine in different ways during reproduction and are passed on to future generations. Sometimes, individuals inherit new characteristics that give them a survival and reproductive advantage in their local environments; these characteristics tend to increase in frequency in the population, while those that are disadvantageous decrease in frequency. This process of differential survival and reproduction is known as natural selection. Non-genetic changes that occur during an organism's life span, such as increases in muscle mass due to exercise and diet, cannot be passed on to the next generation and are not examples of evolution.
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2. Isn't evolution just a theory that remains unproven?
In science, a theory is a rigorously tested statement of general principles that explains observable and recorded aspects of the world. A scientific theory therefore describes a higher level of understanding that ties "facts" together. A scientific theory stands until proven wrong -- it is never proven correct. The Darwinian theory of evolution has withstood the test of time and thousands of scientific experiments; nothing has disproved it since Darwin first proposed it more than 150 years ago. Indeed, many scientific advances, in a range of scientific disciplines including physics, geology, chemistry, and molecular biology, have supported, refined, and expanded evolutionary theory far beyond anything Darwin could have imagined.
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3. Are all species related?
Yes. Just as the tree of life illustrates, all organisms, both living and extinct, are related. Every branch of the tree represents a species, and every fork separating one species from another represents the common ancestor shared by these species. While the tree's countless forks and far-reaching branches clearly show that relatedness among species varies greatly, it is also easy to see that every pair of species share a common ancestor from some point in evolutionary history. For example, scientists estimate that the common ancestor shared by humans and chimpanzees lived some 5 to 8 million years ago. Humans and bacteria obviously share a much more distant common ancestor, but our relationship to these single-celled organisms is no less real. Indeed, DNA analyses show that although humans share far more genetic material with our fellow primates than we do with single-celled organisms, we still have more than 200 genes in common with bacteria.

It is important to realize that describing organisms as relatives does not mean that one of those organisms is an ancestor of the other, or, for that matter, that any living species is the ancestor of any other living species. A person may be related to blood relatives, such as cousins, aunts, and uncles, because she shares with them one or more common ancestors, such as a grandparent, or great-grandparent. But those cousins, aunts, and uncles are not her ancestors. In the same way, humans and other living primates are related, but none of these living relatives is a human ancestor.
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4. What is a species?
Members of one species do not normally interbreed with members of other species in nature. Sometimes, members of different species, such as lions and tigers, can interbreed if kept together in captivity. But in nature, geographic isolation and differences in behavior, such as choice of habitat, keep these sorts of closely related animal species apart. Similarly, closely related species of plants can sometimes be hybridized by horticulturists, but these hybrids are rarely found in nature. A species, then, is defined by science as a group of interbreeding or potentially interbreeding populations that is reproductively isolated from other such groups.
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5. What do genes have to do with evolution?
Genes are the portions of an organism's DNA that carry the code responsible for building that organism in a very specific way. Genes -- and, thus, the traits they code for -- are passed from parent to offspring. From generation to generation, well-understood molecular mechanisms reshuffle, duplicate, and alter genes in a way that produces genetic variation. This variation is the raw material for evolution.
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6. What role does sex play in evolution?
Sexual reproduction allows an organism to combine half of its genes with half of another individual's genes, which means new combinations of genes are produced every generation. In addition, when eggs and sperm are produced, genetic material is shuffled and recombined in ways that produce new combinations of genes. Sexual reproduction thus increases genetic variation, which increases the raw material on which natural selection operates. Genetic variation within a species -- also known as genetic diversity -- increases a species' opportunity for change over successive generations.
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7. Is evolution a random process?
Evolution is not a random process. The genetic variation on which natural selection acts may occur randomly, but natural selection itself is not random at all. The survival and reproductive success of an individual is directly related to the ways its inherited traits function in the context of its local environment. Whether or not an individual survives and reproduces depends on whether it has genes that produce traits that are well adapted to its environment.
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8. Are evolution and "survival of the fittest" the same thing?
Evolution and "survival of the fittest" are not the same thing. Evolution refers to the cumulative changes in a population or species through time. "Survival of the fittest" is a popular term that refers to the process of natural selection, a mechanism that drives evolutionary change. Natural selection works by giving individuals who are better adapted to a given set of environmental conditions an advantage over those that are not as well adapted. Survival of the fittest usually makes one think of the biggest, strongest, or smartest individuals being the winners, but in a biological sense, evolutionary fitness refers to the ability to survive and reproduce in a particular environment. Popular interpretations of "survival of the fittest" typically ignore the importance of both reproduction and cooperation. To survive but not pass on one's genes to the next generation is to be biologically unfit. And many organisms are the "fittest" because they cooperate with other organisms, rather than competing with them.
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11. Does evolution prove there is no God?
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Nice spin, INVOLVED, and lots & lots of words...but the scientific method is the scientific method: For something to be scientific FACT, it must be reproduceable in the laboratory.

Close...but no cigar.

Micro evolution is scienctific fact. Macro evolution is not.

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

[GlteByAsocashun]

:roll: So far this is a half-ass thread. You need new material. The biggest problem with mainstream Muslims is they don't take a public stand against the extremists which makes it look like they are condoning their actions. :roll:
So what. It isn't my job or problem to police my brothers.

Then who's job is it?

Orson
How about personal responsiblitiy to know what your religion REALLY teaches.......

[GlteByAsocashun]

Oh please. Have you tried reading the OT recently.

If you read the Quran, you are reading the Old Testament. Bah! ha, ha.
No, not really.

[GlteByAsocashun]

:roll: So far this is a half-ass thread. You need new material. The biggest problem with mainstream Muslims is they don't take a public stand against the extremists which makes it look like they are condoning their actions. :roll:
So what. It isn't my job or problem to police my brothers.Your "brothers" are dragging you down and impuning your reputation. If Islam wants to be a religion of "peace" then it is time for the mainstream Muslims to "clean house"! :wink:
Easier said than done. Besides anyone who knows and understands Islam knows what these fruitcakes do is not what the Qur'an teaches.

[GlteByAsocashun]

For all the search engines out there that no longer find my stuff at IH, here is some bile, to drag muslims to this forum.

If God wanted us to throw ourselves on all fours and whine like Dogs, he would not have allowed us to evolve an upright spine.

But muslims cannot believe in modern cosmology, because they think the heaven and earth were created in six thousand years.

WELL THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT STUDY GEOLOGY.

Nor can muslims accept evolution theory, as Harun Yahya points out on his web site, and in his many books.

That is why they visit a hill near Mecca during the Hajj. Where they are told Adam and Eve first met. Shortly before they are taken off to throw stones at concrete pillars that represent the Devil. Where they traditionally crush hundreds of people to death in the scrum.

OH! GET A BLOODY BRAIN.

I spit on the Quran, and I curse Muhammad, and I despise Allah.

IF THAT BEAST ALLAH TRIES TO BURN ME IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.

That will be the biggest mistake he ever, ever made. Because just as soon as I get used to having my skin burnt off, and boiling water poured on my head. I am going to start a war against Allah until he is destroyed.

Once I have destroyed Allah I will invade his heaven, so do not feel your heaven in silken robes by flowing streams can be regarded as eternal.

CAUSE WHEN I FIND A WAY TO DESTROY ALLAH I WILL COME FOR YOU.

By then I will be able to breath fire, and I will breath it all over you.

IF THERE NEVER WAS A DEVIL, THERE IS ONE NOW.
Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.

[GlteByAsocashun]

ANY religion taken to the extreme is bullshit. These dirtbags take out the parts they want to believe and then base their entire "cause" on the distorted image that THEY have created. Round them up and send them to their so-called prophet. I'll bet those 72 virgins all look like Michael Moore! :lol:

People, Regis from IH among them. Probably think I am mean and nasty. But I know you have to be cruel to be kind.

I do not think of myself as a hate monger, more of a slayer of untruths.

Muslims would not see it, but I am just trying to set them free.
You can keep your "freedom".

[Dajjal]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.

You might as well chain yourself to the deck of the Titanic as cling to Islam, it's going down by the head.

I have never seen such garbage between two book covers, purporting to be the word of God, until I opened the Quran, and I have read a lot of trash in my time.

If the Quran is the word of God, then God is a mumbling idiot.

See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

[GlteByAsocashun]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

[Lamb o' God]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

Hey Guilty 1~

Care to go another round with me about what a Muslim can expect when he dies and stands before God?

I'd be very interested in discussing that with you...I was talking with Ji'tu about it, but...well: You know.

Please let me know.

Blessings,
~lamb

[short_circuit]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????Hi GlteByAsocashun
Why not you used to get pissed off before... :lol:
And it is good to see you here.. :wink:

[GlteByAsocashun]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

Hey Guilty 1~

Care to go another round with me about what a Muslim can expect when he dies and stands before God?

I'd be very interested in discussing that with you...I was talking with Ji'tu about it, but...well: You know.

Please let me know.

Blessings,
~lamb
If you want to spar I am willing. Let it rip lambchop.

[GlteByAsocashun]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????Hi GlteByAsocashun
Why not you used to get pissed off before... :lol:
And it is good to see you here.. :wink:
Because I have enough in my "real life" to piss me off at the moment. But never fear, I'm sure my blood will be boiling in no time at all.

[short_circuit]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????Hi GlteByAsocashun
Why not you used to get pissed off before... :lol:
And it is good to see you here.. :wink:
Because I have enough in my "real life" to piss me off at the moment. But never fear, I'm sure my blood will be boiling in no time at all.
Remember !
The higher the altitude the easier to boil
And the higher the attitude..lol.. :wink:

[Dajjal]

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

I want to see you try to defend the indefensible Quran.

Most Muslims just quote a load of bollocks they have read, that is nothing but pure Islamic propaganda, and a desperate attempt to keep the faithful on their knees, by those in power in the fifty or more Muslim states.

BUT IT DONNA MEAN THING.

The propaganda that attempts to justify the Quran is as flawed and ridiculous as the Quran itself, and it ain't fooling me.

[Lamb o' God]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

Hey Guilty 1~

Care to go another round with me about what a Muslim can expect when he dies and stands before God?

I'd be very interested in discussing that with you...I was talking with Ji'tu about it, but...well: You know.

Please let me know.

Blessings,
~lamb
If you want to spar I am willing. Let it rip lambchop.

Let's start it out simple:

Do you think that the version of Islam that you believe is mainstream...that the majority of the Muslims in the world believe as you do?

What do you expect to see happen in the hours after you die? Be specific, if you can.

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

[involved]

Well I guess when your'e cloned and have enternal life,I'll get my cigar.I know your trying to make a point but it's getting lost.Are you looking for a recessive or poly recessive ?

Nice spin, INVOLVED, and lots & lots of words...but the scientific method is the scientific method: For something to be scientific FACT, it must be reproduceable in the laboratory.

Close...but no cigar.

Micro evolution is scienctific fact. Macro evolution is not.

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

[Lamb o' God]

Well I guess when your'e cloned and have enternal life,I'll get my cigar.I know your trying to make a point but it's getting lost.Are you looking for a recessive or poly recessive ?

Nice spin, INVOLVED, and lots & lots of words...but the scientific method is the scientific method: For something to be scientific FACT, it must be reproduceable in the laboratory.

Close...but no cigar.

Micro evolution is scienctific fact. Macro evolution is not.

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

Good point. Let me make it painfully clear:

Macro evolution is not reproducible in the laboratory...micro evolution is.

Anything that cannot be reproduced in a laboratory is a theory. That which can be reproduced in a laboratory is scientific fact.

Cold nuclear fusion (aka "cold fusion") is a theory. A few years ago, some men claimed that it was a fact. When scientists tried to reproduce it in a laboratory...they couldn't...hence, it is now still considered a theory.

QED--->>>Macro evolution (that men evolved from single celled amoebas) is a theory.

Moreover, for you to say "because so many scientists believe it is true makes it a fact" is specious reasoning at best: many "scientists" used to believe that frontal labotomies were good for people, that the sun revolved around the world, etc.

Turns out that they were wrong, though.

Also, you 'cut & pasted' an article that said "because no evidence has ever been found to contradict evolution, that it should also be considered fact".

Would you care to retract that statement before I address it here?

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

[involved]

Microevolution
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Microevolution is the occurrence of small-scale changes in gene frequencies in a population over a few generations, also known as change at or below the species level. These changes may be due to several processes: mutation, gene flow, genetic drift, as well as natural selection. Population genetics is the branch of biology that provides the mathematical structure for the study of the process of microevolution. Biologists distinguish between microevolution and macroevolution, which is the occurrence of large-scale changes in gene frequencies in a population over a long period of time (and may culminate in the evolution of new species).

Typically, observable instances of evolution are examples of microevolution, for example, bacterial strains that have become resistant to antibiotics. Because microevolution can be observed directly, both pro-evolution and some anti-evolution groups agree that it is a fact of life.
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See also

* Speciation, Molecular evolution, Population genetics



Basic topics in evolutionary biology
Processes of evolution: macroevolution - microevolution - speciation
Mechanisms: selection - genetic drift - gene flow - mutation
Modes: anagenesis - catagenesis - cladogenesis
History: Charles Darwin - The Origin of Species - modern evolutionary synthesis
Subfields: population genetics - ecological genetics - human evolution - molecular evolution - phylogenetics - systematics - evo-devohile (micro)evolution, or natural variation and natural selection, has been demonstrated in the laboratory to the satisfaction of nearly all observers, there is some debate as to how or whether evolution may explain large-scale changes, an increase in genetic information, and the introduction of newly evolved genes, otherwise known as macroevolution.

There are a number of views regarding macroevolution. Some evolutionary biologists, particularly Charles Darwin and those ascribing to the modern synthesis, see the only difference between microevolution and macroevolution as being one of scale. Other evolutionary biologists, including Gould, Schmalhausen, and Waddington, hold that microevolution and macroevolution are fundamentally different processes. Orthogenesis holds that microevolution occurs by means of variation and natural selection, while macroevolution occurs through the guiding hand of God. Creationism holds that while there is a great deal of evidence for microevolution, macroevolution is impossible.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution

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So God created evolution.. :wink:
Is this what is being said.
Computers evolved at the hands of man.
Life evolved at the hands of God.
When computer become more than just artifical intelligence and can self reproduce.
One day computers will be saying they was not created.
They will be saying they evolved.
But in a way they did evolve but it was us that created in the first place.
Don't mind me just jesting..lol.. :lol:

[GlteByAsocashun]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

Hey Guilty 1~

Care to go another round with me about what a Muslim can expect when he dies and stands before God?

I'd be very interested in discussing that with you...I was talking with Ji'tu about it, but...well: You know.

Please let me know.

Blessings,
~lamb
Lamb, I've been out all day..... and getting ready to watch a Bball game. I will answer this in the morning or tomorrow evening.

[Lamb o' God]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

Hey Guilty 1~

Care to go another round with me about what a Muslim can expect when he dies and stands before God?

I'd be very interested in discussing that with you...I was talking with Ji'tu about it, but...well: You know.

Please let me know.

Blessings,
~lamb
Lamb, I've been out all day..... and getting ready to watch a Bball game. I will answer this in the morning or tomorrow evening.
Fair enough, Guilty1~

Have a good time at the game! :D

PM me when you get a moment to answer.

Blessings,
~lamb

[GlteByAsocashun]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

Hey Guilty 1~

Care to go another round with me about what a Muslim can expect when he dies and stands before God?

I'd be very interested in discussing that with you...I was talking with Ji'tu about it, but...well: You know.

Please let me know.

Blessings,
~lamb
If you want to spar I am willing. Let it rip lambchop.

Let's start it out simple:

Do you think that the version of Islam that you believe is mainstream...that the majority of the Muslims in the world believe as you do?

What do you expect to see happen in the hours after you die? Be specific, if you can.

Blessings,
~a lamb of God
Yes, I think that my beliefs can be classed as "mainstream" and the majority of Muslims also believe this. I do not consider myself as a part of any sect, a Muslim only.

What do I expect to happen in the hours after I die? Muslims believe in something called "torment of the grave". I don't have a lot of time so I'll give you the short version. You can do a search on it to learn more if you want. Muslims believe that after you are put in your grave, your soul is taken and you will be questioned as to your beliefs and actions. This can be a horrible expereince depending on how you lived and believed. You will get a "preview" of what is in store for you on the day of judgement. The soul is returned to the body and there you wait but you will "know" what is in store for you.

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It shows that the Prophet got the idea second hand and it came from some old Jews.
And he just added more to it by saying "that the animals would listen to it."

'A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, reported:
There came to me two old women from the old Jews of Medina and said: The people of the grave are tormented in their graves. I contradicted them and I did not deem it proper to agree with them. They went away and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to me and I said to him: Messenger of Allah! there came to me two old women from the old Jews of Medina and asserted that the people of the grave would be tormented therein. He (the Prophet) said: They told you the truth; they would be tormented (so much) that the animals would listen to it. She ('A'ishah) said: Never did I see him (the Holy Prophet) afterwards but seeking refuge from the torment of the grave in his Prayer.
http://hadith.al-islam.com/bayan/Display.asp?Lang=eng&ID=312

:arrow: Do animals really listen to it... :?:

[hussein_005]

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمْ إِنَّ زَلْزَلَةَ السَّاعَةِ شَيْءٌ عَظِيمٌ - يَوْمَ تَرَوْنَهَا تَذْهَلُ كُلُّ مُرْضِعَةٍ عَمَّا أَرْضَعَتْ وَتَضَعُ كُلُّ ذَاتِ حَمْلٍ حَمْلَهَا وَتَرَى النَّاسَ سُكَارَى وَمَا هُم بِسُكَارَى وَلَكِنَّ عَذَابَ اللَّهِ شَدِيدٌ

“O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the earthquake of the Hour (of Judgement) is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every mother giving suck shall forget her suckling-babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): you shall see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah.” [al-hajj 22:1-2]

[Dajjal]

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمْ إِنَّ زَلْزَلَةَ السَّاعَةِ شَيْءٌ عَظِيمٌ - يَوْمَ تَرَوْنَهَا تَذْهَلُ كُلُّ مُرْضِعَةٍ عَمَّا أَرْضَعَتْ وَتَضَعُ كُلُّ ذَاتِ حَمْلٍ حَمْلَهَا وَتَرَى النَّاسَ سُكَارَى وَمَا هُم بِسُكَارَى وَلَكِنَّ عَذَابَ اللَّهِ شَدِيدٌ

“O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the earthquake of the Hour (of Judgement) is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every mother giving suck shall forget her suckling-babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): you shall see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah.” [al-hajj 22:1-2]

Utter bloody bull shit, from a false prophet.

IF GOD IS CAPABLE OF DREADFUL WRATH, HE IS A DERANGED BEAST.

[Winter]

Re: thread title!

http://home.att.net/~slugbutter/evil/

OMG..they have Canada as an European country. LMAO

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“O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the earthquake of the Hour (of Judgement) is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every mother giving suck shall forget her suckling-babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): you shall see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah.” [al-hajj 22:1-2]God is so loving and kind this is so good of him what you said is going to happen.
It really shows the love of God does it not.
I see you have come to know the love of God... : :roll:
What is the name of your God Beelzebub.
You are in your Judgment day now.

[GlteByAsocashun]

“O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the earthquake of the Hour (of Judgement) is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every mother giving suck shall forget her suckling-babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): you shall see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah.” [al-hajj 22:1-2]God is so loving and kind this is so good of him what you said is going to happen.
It really shows the love of God does it not.
I see you have come to know the love of God... : :roll:
What is the name of your God Beelzebub.
You are in your Judgment day now.
lol You think God should just let everyone into Paradise??? No matter how rotten they are? Come on, give me a break. :roll:

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“O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the earthquake of the Hour (of Judgement) is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every mother giving suck shall forget her suckling-babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): you shall see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah.” [al-hajj 22:1-2]God is so loving and kind this is so good of him what you said is going to happen.
It really shows the love of God does it not.
I see you have come to know the love of God... : :roll:
What is the name of your God Beelzebub.
You are in your Judgment day now.
lol You think God should just let everyone into Paradise??? No matter how rotten they are? Come on, give me a break. :roll:I'm not God you will have to ask him to give you a break not me... :lol:

[short_circuit]

“O mankind! Fear your Lord and be dutiful to Him! Verily, the earthquake of the Hour (of Judgement) is a terrible thing. The Day you shall see it, every mother giving suck shall forget her suckling-babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): you shall see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah.” [al-hajj 22:1-2]God is so loving and kind this is so good of him what you said is going to happen.
It really shows the love of God does it not.
I see you have come to know the love of God... : :roll:
What is the name of your God Beelzebub.
You are in your Judgment day now.
lol You think God should just let everyone into Paradise??? No matter how rotten they are? Come on, give me a break. :roll:Hi GlteByAsocashun
Go to this Website they nearly got it right.
It is close to what is going to happen.
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/lastday.htm

A lot of people think they are going to be floaters in heaven.
The Jews never believed that it was a paradise Earth is what they believed.
And even in the Christian Bible you can see it is saying the same thing.
Not all go to heaven they will live in the new Earth.

[Lamb o' God]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

Hey Guilty 1~

Care to go another round with me about what a Muslim can expect when he dies and stands before God?

I'd be very interested in discussing that with you...I was talking with Ji'tu about it, but...well: You know.

Please let me know.

Blessings,
~lamb
If you want to spar I am willing. Let it rip lambchop.

Let's start it out simple:

Do you think that the version of Islam that you believe is mainstream...that the majority of the Muslims in the world believe as you do?

What do you expect to see happen in the hours after you die? Be specific, if you can.

Blessings,
~a lamb of God
Yes, I think that my beliefs can be classed as "mainstream" and the majority of Muslims also believe this. I do not consider myself as a part of any sect, a Muslim only.

What do I expect to happen in the hours after I die? Muslims believe in something called "torment of the grave". I don't have a lot of time so I'll give you the short version. You can do a search on it to learn more if you want. Muslims believe that after you are put in your grave, your soul is taken and you will be questioned as to your beliefs and actions. This can be a horrible expereince depending on how you lived and believed. You will get a "preview" of what is in store for you on the day of judgement. The soul is returned to the body and there you wait but you will "know" what is in store for you.

Alright, Guilty1~

So we know what what some Muslims believe will happen to them in the hours after they die...what about you, now? What do you believe will happen to you in the hours after you die? Since you are of a certainty going to experience this in the next 100 years or so, shouldn't you give it some thought? I have...

Also, you questioned if people can be allowed into paradise no matter how rotten they have been...what standard do you use for being judged "rotten"? Your own? Someone elses? Please be specific in stating the standard.

Thanks, Guilty1..:D

Blessings,
~a lamb of God

[Dajjal]

lol You think God should just let everyone into Paradise??? No matter how rotten they are? Come on, give me a break. :roll:

You think going to a place full of whining groveling Muslims would be heaven? cause that's my idea of hell.

[GlteByAsocashun]

Please just go stuff it up your rump..... your understanding of Islam is poor to none.


See my Quranic criticism on the religion forum at the Corncob.

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforu m=thecob

Why...... so I can get pissed off????

Hey Guilty 1~

Care to go another round with me about what a Muslim can expect when he dies and stands before God?

I'd be very interested in discussing that with you...I was talking with Ji'tu about it, but...well: You know.

Please let me know.

Blessings,
~lamb
If you want to spar I am willing. Let it rip lambchop.

Let's start it out simple:

Do you think that the version of Islam that you believe is mainstream...that the majority of the Muslims in the world believe as you do?

What do you expect to see happen in the hours after you die? Be specific, if you can.

Blessings,
~a lamb of God
Yes, I think that my beliefs can be classed as "mainstream" and the majority of Muslims also believe this. I do not consider myself as a part of any sect, a Muslim only.

What do I expect to happen in the hours after I die? Muslims believe in something called "torment of the grave". I don't have a lot of time so I'll give you the short version. You can do a search on it to learn more if you want. Muslims believe that after you are put in your grave, your soul is taken and you will be questioned as to your beliefs and actions. This can be a horrible expereince depending on how you lived and believed. You will get a "preview" of what is in store for you on the day of judgement. The soul is returned to the body and there you wait but you will "know" what is in store for you.

Alright, Guilty1~

So we know what what some Muslims believe will happen to them in the hours after they die...what about you, now? What do you believe will happen to you in the hours after you die? Since you are of a certainty going to experience this in the next 100 years or so, shouldn't you give it some thought? I have...

Also, you questioned if people can be allowed into paradise no matter how rotten they have been...what standard do you use for being judged "rotten"? Your own? Someone elses? Please be specific in stating the standard.

Thanks, Guilty1..:D

Blessings,
~a lamb of God
Well Lamb, hopefully when I get planted in my grave, my preview of eternity will not be one of toasting in hell. Do I think about this, you bet your ass I do. At lest I know the correct answers to the questions that I will be asked, lol. What about you Lamb?

As for those who are rotten.... well I know if I would let them in or not, lol but lucky for them I am not in charge. No one can say if another person will "make the grade" or not. That is between them and God.

[GlteByAsocashun]

lol You think God should just let everyone into Paradise??? No matter how rotten they are? Come on, give me a break. :roll:

You think going to a place full of whining groveling Muslims would be heaven? cause that's my idea of hell.
Poor Daj ~ you are toast either way then, lololol.

[Dajjal]

lol You think God should just let everyone into Paradise??? No matter how rotten they are? Come on, give me a break. :roll:

You think going to a place full of whining groveling Muslims would be heaven? cause that's my idea of hell.
Poor Daj ~ you are toast either way then, lololol.

Just like a Muslim (a converted one at that) to worship the beast they call Allah. You have been suckered by a lying Arab bandit.

There are plenty of reasons why the system of being judged on one lifetime and sent to heaven and hell is unworkable, and the fact there are over a billion people on this earth so spiritually ignorant as to worship a monster that would burn people in eternal hellfire is one of them.

I figure the souls of mankind have at least another million years of growing up to do before we are even worth creating. Therefore the theory of reincarnation makes sense, but the day of judgement does not.


If I were you, I would give the Quran a rest and have a look through the Dhammapada. Now there is a book worth reading.

[exitwound]

If I were you, I would give the Quran a rest and have a look through the Dhammapada. Now there is a book worth reading.

You pleasantly surprise me, Dajjal. I wouldn't have figured you for someone who'd have an interest in Buddhism!

[Dajjal]

If I were you, I would give the Quran a rest and have a look through the Dhammapada. Now there is a book worth reading.

You pleasantly surprise me, Dajjal. I wouldn't have figured you for someone who'd have an interest in Buddhism!

Har! well, I posted a lot about spiritual and psychic matters at IH, but now its all gone up in smoke. But one reason I am so down on Islam is that it is as plain as daylight to me that the Quran cannot possible be the word of God, because I just spent a lifetime finding out the real truth.

I have said many times on IH, that I have had much communication with the spirit world through psychic mediums, and the spirit world teaches we reincarnate many thousands of times, on many different planets, before reaching spiritual enlightenment.

They teach that Jesus was a spiritual master, and so was Buddha, but I have never heard them say a word about Muhammad.

Twenty minutes of reading the Quran told me why. It completely contradicts everything I have ever heard them say, and therefore it is clearly the words of a false prophet.

[Lamb o' God]

Well Lamb, hopefully when I get planted in my grave, my preview of eternity will not be one of toasting in hell. Do I think about this, you bet your ass I do. At lest I know the correct answers to the questions that I will be asked, lol. What about you Lamb?

As for those who are rotten.... well I know if I would let them in or not, lol but lucky for them I am not in charge. No one can say if another person will "make the grade" or not. That is between them and God.

As for me, Guilty1, I don't think about Hell any longer.

I know God personally through Jesus and He has assured me with His own life that I will live with Him forever. The only thing I think of these days is how to pursuade others to join me in an eternity of living with Him.

From what I understand of Muslims, they hope that their works will allow them to be considered for entry into paradise....and afterward everyone will look at them and note their "good works" (I believe there is even gates to paradise that have descriptions above them where individuals go in...according to their works.
)
As for me, my only "claim to fame" will be what God has done for me. I would be ashamed to hear anyone in eternity praise me because of my good works. What shame that would be~!!! :cry:
I'm not worthy to even have my name mentioned in the same sentence that uses "good works" when in heaven.

After all, what is the standard when it comes to "good works"? Isn't it God? Who has done "gooder" (sic) works than Him?

I'll tell you: NOBODY~!!!!

Well then, why would I want to have my inferior works mentioned in the presence of the One whose every thought & deed is perfect.?!?

I would not, Guilty1. Not at all.

You may want to trust in your good works before Allah and hope (I still think this is the funniest aspect about Islam), HOPE (:shock:) that Allah judges your works good enough to enter paradise, but I would rather trust in what God has done for me:

Eph 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,


..as I know that everything that He does is perfect--and I can have complete confidence in what He has done is also perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

Because the emphasis of my salvation and eternal security is God's responsibilty (and not mine), my salvation then becomes God's good work and His glory. All praise is for Him...not me.

We are children (probably not even that) when compared to God and His infinite wisdom and understanding. For you, a Muslim, to act as if you are in charge of your own salvation and that you have enough understanding to figure it all out and accomplish it on your own (such that you would call it "your good works") is simply galling to me. Mankind cannot even figure out how to stop killing each other. How in the blinking heck can you possibly think that mankind can figure out how to follow some set of rules and save himself?

Tell me, Guilty1: Who is saving you? God, or your good works?

I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say...

Blessings,
~a (very happy & secure) lamb of God

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Is it not that you are saved by the love of God and not your works of what you should be doing anyway.
But the practice of sin is the very thing that will condemn you. :idea:

[short_circuit]

If I were you, I would give the Quran a rest and have a look through the Dhammapada. Now there is a book worth reading.

You pleasantly surprise me, Dajjal. I wouldn't have figured you for someone who'd have an interest in Buddhism!

Har! well, I posted a lot about spiritual and psychic matters at IH, but now its all gone up in smoke.

I have said many times on IH, that I have had much communication with the spirit world through psychic mediums, and the spirit world teaches we reincarnate many thousands of times, on many different planets, before reaching spiritual enlightenment.


Perhaps it needed to be reincarnated. :roll:

[ghukov]

So God created evolution.. :wink:
Is this what is being said.
Computers evolved at the hands of man.
Life evolved at the hands of God.
When computer become more than just artifical intelligence and can self reproduce.
One day computers will be saying they was not created.
They will be saying they evolved.
But in a way they did evolve but it was us that created in the first place.
Don't mind me just jesting..lol.. :lol:
Oops, that's gotta hurt! It's almost too absurd to consider, but in the near future it may be a very real possibility: all life on earth is eaten up by man made machines, in what physicists euphemistically call `the gray goo problem'.

It was no one less than the Nobel prize winning physicist Richard Feynman who gave rise to the `problem'. In a famous 1959 lecture, Feynman predicted that man will some day be able to make nano machines, devices so tiny that you can't even see them. A nanometer is a billionth of a meter, and a nano machine would be a thousand times smaller than the thickness of a human hair.

Well, mr. Feynman wasn't drunk when he predicted this. Machines ARE getting smaller: just compare the microchips of today with the huge taperecorder-like computers from the fifties. But it can go much smaller still. In principle, Feynman foretold, you can make computers and other gadgets out of single atoms. You only have to `click' them together in the right way, like tiny pieces of construction lego.

And he was right. In 1986, the physicist K. Eric Drexler took up Feynman's ideas, and coined the term nanotechnology: `the technology of creating and working with devices only a few nanometers big', as it is defined. In 1990, the world realised that this was no longer science fiction, as a team of IBM researchers managed to arrange 35 single xenon atoms so that they spelled out the logo of IBM. Rumour has it that another research team responded to this crafty display of atom knitting by doing some intellectual nano graffiti: `Bill Gates sucks', also jotted down in single xenon atoms.

Ever since then, nanotechnology has underwent a modest revolution. With the coming of the Atomic Force Microscope, which uses a tiny `needle' to explore the surface of materials, scientists have been able to `pick up' single atoms and move them elsewhere. Numerous universities and privately funded institutes engage in nanotech. Nano engineers have at their disposal a toolkit full of crafty gadgets, ranging from nano trains that transport atoms across a nano track, to a nano pen that squirts out atoms instead of ink. Also, there's a growing collection of nano switches, nano wires, nano tubes and - more recently - the first nano `engines': rotor shaped molecules that rotate under the influence of the right changes in temperature and light.

Well, but we're still alive and kicking. So where's the gray goo? O, wait and see. The end of the world may be nearer than you think.

Nano philosophers foresee that one day (some estimate around 2010) it will be possible to create a nano assembler: a man made molecule, that is `programmed' to create certain things out of raw materials. A nano assembler would for instance pick up plain carbon atoms and rearrange them into the molecular structure of a diamond. Or it would make water out of the atomic parts of plain air. Or a cheese sandwich out of dust. Or water into wine, you name it.

This notion is not as weird as it sounds. Our DNA- and RNA-molecules do it all the time! They pick up the raw materials from our food, and turn them into complex molecules. DNA and RNA are nano assemblers that manufacture whole organisms, with arms and legs, and fingers that can type the word `nanotechnology'.

So, if a nano factory can be programmed to create a cheese sandwich out of atoms, why wouldn't it be able to create new nano factories? This in fact is exactly the way it will be, at least according to nanopioneers like K. Eric Drexler. Let's face it: it's a hell of a job to build a nano machine by hand. It would be much easier to make nano machines that are capable of copying themselves, much in the way DNA-molecules replicate themselves. Nano scientists claim it is even essential for a nano machine to be self-replicating. Since they are so tiny, we would need millions of them to be of any use. It would take a lifetime to make them all by hand. Nano factories are thus by definition Von Neumann machines: devices capable of creating new copies of themselves.

But there's a nasty downside. What will such a self-replicating nano machine do if you carelessly tossed it away? You guessed it: it would go on grabbing all atoms within reach, rearranging them into copies of itself. And the copies would make more copies of themselves. And those copies would make even more copies of the copies of the copies. And so on.

No, you just DON'T want to know what this means. Within only 72 hours after the release of the first molecular nano machine, every single atom on earth would be `used' to create new nano machines. In other words, all plants, animals, humans, cars, buildings and even rocks would have been `eaten up' by a vast, exponentially growing army of invisibly small nano devices.

There you have it: gray goo. Lots of it. Bye-bye world.
http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

[Lamb o' God]

So God created evolution.. :wink:
Is this what is being said.
Computers evolved at the hands of man.
Life evolved at the hands of God.
When computer become more than just artifical intelligence and can self reproduce.
One day computers will be saying they was not created.
They will be saying they evolved.
But in a way they did evolve but it was us that created in the first place.
Don't mind me just jesting..lol.. :lol:
Oops, that's gotta hurt! It's almost too absurd to consider, but in the near future it may be a very real possibility: all life on earth is eaten up by man made machines, in what physicists euphemistically call `the gray goo problem'.

It was no one less than the Nobel prize winning physicist Richard Feynman who gave rise to the `problem'. In a famous 1959 lecture, Feynman predicted that man will some day be able to make nano machines, devices so tiny that you can't even see them. A nanometer is a billionth of a meter, and a nano machine would be a thousand times smaller than the thickness of a human hair.

Well, mr. Feynman wasn't drunk when he predicted this. Machines ARE getting smaller: just compare the microchips of today with the huge taperecorder-like computers from the fifties. But it can go much smaller still. In principle, Feynman foretold, you can make computers and other gadgets out of single atoms. You only have to `click' them together in the right way, like tiny pieces of construction lego.

And he was right. In 1986, the physicist K. Eric Drexler took up Feynman's ideas, and coined the term nanotechnology: `the technology of creating and working with devices only a few nanometers big', as it is defined. In 1990, the world realised that this was no longer science fiction, as a team of IBM researchers managed to a