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Mr. Drags
12-24-2004, 09:54 AM
By SALAH NASRAWI
Associated Press Writer
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — Osama bin Laden appears to be trying to transform himself from terrorist to political leader, the conclusion reached by some Middle Eastern experts from watching recent messages attributed to the al-Qaida leader.
But at least one of those experts questions whether bin Laden has anything to offer his followers beyond a call to arms, saying he does not have solutions to the economic and social issues facing young Muslims.
Abdel Rahim Ali, who studies Islamic movements, said many Islamic fundamentalist or radical groups turned into political movements after their violent campaigns lost steam. For example, Egypt’s Islamic Group denounced terrorism and revised its holy war strategy after its attempt to topple Egypt’s regime by force was met with a fierce crackdown.
“This is only natural for any radical movement. First they start as militant and secretive and then they try to get credibility from the public before they turn into a political movement,” said Ali, author of “Alliance of Terror: al-Qaida Organization.”
Ali said the cease-fire that bin Laden offered the Europeans in April in exchange for their withdrawal from Iraq was a political message that differed markedly from his usual uncompromising posture.
Also, in a video aired on the satellite station Al-Jazeera days before the November presidential election in the United States, bin Laden made an unusual overture to the American people, telling them they could avoid another Sept. 11 attack if they chose leaders who did not threaten Muslims.
“Even Spartacus turned his revolt into a political movement,” Ali said. “So why not bin Laden?”
Ali said bin Laden might want to transform al-Qaida into an organization with both military and political wings, mirroring paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland or the Palestinian movement.
In bin Laden’s latest message released Dec. 16, his first directed specifically at Saudis in years, he advised his followers to attack the kingdom’s oil installations to weaken both the West and the Saudi royal family. That led to speculation al-Qaida intended to adopt the tactics of insurgents, not terrorists.
While some analysts say al-Qaida has been forced to change course because it has been weakened and possibly shattered by a U.S. crackdown, others believe that any shifting by bin Laden is only temporary and tactical.
“His goal is to build an Islamic state and his means will remain holy war,” said Saudi writer Mshari al-Thaydi, who has been monitoring Islamic radical groups for years. “He does not know any other means to make his point.”
Al-Thaydi said both bin Laden and his top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahri, who addressed such issues as human rights and corruption in recent messages, abhor political means and only trust power. He noted that al-Zawahri, in his book “The Bitter Harvest,” harshly criticized the Muslim Brotherhood, the biggest Islamic movement, for resorting to social and political programs to advance its quest for power.
Al-Thaydi said bin Laden’s focus on Saudi Arabia in the recent message attributed to him showed that he intended to step up al-Qaida’s terrorist activities in his homeland with the ultimate goal of toppling the monarchy and assuming power.
“Osama thinks if he takes over Saudi Arabia he can topple all other Islamic regimes,” al-Thaydi said.
Bin Laden has readjusted in the past “to cope with challenges and circumstances,” said Radwan al Sayed, a respected Lebanese writer on Islamic affairs.
Bin Laden’s main shift came in 1990, when he clashed with Saudi rulers over the kingdom’s decision to allow U.S.-led coalition troops to use its territory to stage the war to liberate Kuwait from Saddam, said al Sayed, whose works include “Struggle For Islam.”
“That made him believe that Islam’s enemies are not only outside, but also inside,” al Sayed said.
But he added that al-Qaida lacked what it took to lead a country or win support from mainstream Muslims, who have other forums for voicing their concerns, and risked alienating its most radical supporters by advocating Western-style secular politics.
“They can stir opposition but they cannot rule and be in power,” he said, adding that if bin Laden were trying to present a new image, it was an acknowledgment of bankruptcy.
“Practically speaking, his enterprise has failed. He has nothing to offer Muslims but increasing their frustration. Young Muslims want meaningful things,” he said.
For example, Muslims face issues of poverty, unemployment and greater rights for women.
“There is no endless holy war,” al Sayed said. “Holy war must have a goal. So what is its goal now?”

exitwound
12-24-2004, 11:59 AM
He does seem to be trying to play Caliph lately.....

Although many counter-terror analysts I respect, think he's playing nice (offering the West a number of "outs," specifically) so that when his next major attack comes, he won't be subject to the kind of criticism by Islamic moderates that he received after 9/11.

Clearly, he is playing to the masses instead of speaking only to the Infidels and Jihadis....

Master Chief
12-25-2004, 02:22 AM
He should really be hunted and captured secretly, then used as a pawn by the U.S. gov't to put this whole thing to an end. See if they can convince him to convince Jihadi's that the U.S. is an awesome country and should be revered :P

WannaBeRSC
12-28-2004, 10:51 AM
He should really be hunted and captured secretly, then used as a pawn by the U.S. gov't to put this whole thing to an end. See if they can convince him to convince Jihadi's that the U.S. is an awesome country and should be revered :P

Take him on a road trip, show him as much as possible of the good & bad,... the real G&B, not what he thinks.
If he still chooses to hate us, let him wear a suit made by DuPont. Or, maybe, introduce him to pigs... something up close & personal. :twisted:

roguestar
12-28-2004, 12:46 PM
i say skip all that and go straight to the nukes :evil:

Funky Monkey
12-28-2004, 05:11 PM
i say skip all that and go straight to the nukes :evil:

hmm, that'll play well on the "arab street," for sure :?

USAPatriot
01-31-2005, 06:05 PM
He should really be hunted and captured secretly, then used as a pawn by the U.S. gov't to put this whole thing to an end. See if they can convince him to convince Jihadi's that the U.S. is an awesome country and should be revered :P

Close. He should be captured, held secretly, while the US perpetrates every human rights abuse imaginable upon him. Starting with Lynndie Englund :D -Rod-

undertaker
02-02-2005, 12:29 AM
A job for Lynndie Englund:

She gets nekkid and rubs up against old Binnie until he gets a boner. Then the guys come in and ram a small diameter hollow glass tube into his scrawny little pecker.
Bubba then slams Binnys boner with a 2lb. rubber hammer until the tube is fully broken up.
Binnie gets a lesson about pissed-off American women. One that he will recall every time he takes a piss. Binnie's bruised, battered, broken, bashed, bent, beaten, bloody boner. A little something to remember Lynndie by.


Orson

undertaker
02-02-2005, 12:41 AM
bin Laden cannot offer anything but suffering, if Islam were to see the return of the Caliphate.
For the Caliphate to succeed would mean a return to the dark ages for those under the rule of the Caliphate.
We saw just a sample of this form of rule under the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Only the truly ignorant saw it as a good thing - the rest were killed or fled.
Imagine a huge part of the world under this type of rule and the rest of the world threatened by it.

Orson