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al-Canine
11-22-2004, 11:07 AM
Unthinkable?
An attack on an American city by terrorists armed with a small nuclear device is an even bet within a decade, some experts say

Charles Burress, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, November 21, 2004

Imagine a relatively small nuclear bomb of 10 kilotons exploding in San Francisco's Union Square. "Everything to the Museum of Modern Art would vaporize," writes Harvard security analyst Graham Allison in his chilling new book, "Nuclear Terrorism."

"Everything from the Transamerica building to Nob Hill would be sites of massive destruction; everything within the perimeter of Coit Tower and the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge would go up in flames."

No survivors would be found amid nearly 100 square blocks, and buildings in about 400 square blocks would be totally destroyed or left looking like the Oklahoma City federal building after it was crushed by a truck bomb.

To alert Americans to the intimate extent of the peril, Allison's book is linked to an Internet "Blast Map" showing the radius of destruction for such a nuclear device anywhere in the United States. It can be viewed by ZIP code at www.nuclearterror.org.

Allison and other experts agree that the most likely form of nuclear terrorism is a "dirty bomb," where radioactive material is scattered by a conventional explosive or perhaps an attack on a nuclear reactor.

But some analysts are worried more by the less likely but far more catastrophic detonation of a terrorist nuclear bomb.

"The gravest danger, however, and the one requiring the most urgent attention, is the possibility that terrorists could obtain highly enriched uranium or plutonium for use in an improvised nuclear device," according to Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chair of the Foreign Relations Committee, and former Sen. Sam Nunn, now head of the nonprofit Nuclear Threat Initiative.

Their warning comes in the opening pages of another sobering new book, "The Four Faces of Nuclear Terrorism," from the Center for Nonproliferation Studies in Monterey, the nation's largest nongovernmental organization focusing exclusively on nonproliferation issues. Based on a two-year study, the book says terrorist organizations are now able to build crude nuclear bombs.

This new nuclear nightmare was summoned up in the presidential campaign last month, when Vice President Dick Cheney warned in a widely reported speech:

"The biggest threat we face now as a nation is the possibility of terrorists ending up in the middle of one of our cities with deadlier weapons than have ever before been used against us -- biological agents or a nuclear weapon or a chemical weapon of some kind, to be able to threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans."

The Boston Herald's story about Cheney's speech carried the headline, "Vote Kerry, get nuked, veep warns." Critics accused Cheney of election scaremongering, but analysts on both sides of the partisan divide share his assessment of the terrorist nuclear threat, even if they disagree with him about Kerry.

"Fissile material is widely available," said UC Berkeley Professor Harold Smith, a nonproliferation expert who served in the Clinton White House. "The technology is widely known. The prudent man would assume that this kind of tragedy is going to happen and should be asking himself, 'What can I do about it?' "

Fueling the alarm was an ABC News demonstration last year of how easy it would be to penetrate post-Sept. 11 security. A news team successfully sent uranium inside a shipping container from Jakarta through the Port of Los Angeles.

The shipment underscored findings of a report from the Peace Research Institute in Frankfurt, Germany, that terrorist transport of nuclear weapons by sea or by land "probably would not be detected."

The U.S. government has several approaches to reducing the danger, but critics question their adequacy. The strategies range from new radiation detectors at U.S. ports to Department of Homeland Security advice to "learn how to build a temporary fallout shelter ... even if you do not live near a potential nuclear target."

In August, San Francisco became the first port on the West Coast to receive the radiation detectors, with Oakland scheduled to be added by the end of this year.

If sufficient funding is provided, the Department of Homeland Security hopes to have the machines at all of the United States' more than 300 ports of entry -- including sea, land and air -- by the end of 2005, said Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Barry Morrissey.

Asked if the monitor would have detected the ABC News uranium shipment, Department of Homeland Security spokesman Michael Milne said, "It's designed to, yes. They should identify most sources of radiation."

UC's Smith was skeptical. "I doubt it will be very effective," he said, adding that radiation from highly enriched uranium and plutonium "is difficult to detect and easily shielded." Also, he added, the system wouldn't prevent offshore detonations inside a port harbor.

Allison welcomes the screening, but he too believes the current technology can be circumvented. "The opportunities for shielding overwhelm the current capability for finding," he said.

Allison urges that top priority be given to denying terrorists access to nuclear materials and weapons in the first place, with such steps as securing existing stockpiles and weapons, blocking production of new fissile materials, stopping more nations from acquiring nuclear arms and eliminating the nuclear black market.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., introduced legislation in April directing the president to establish a task force on removing nuclear materials from vulnerable sites around the world, but opposition turned the measure into a "sense of Congress" recommendation in this year's defense authorization bill.

Everyone agrees on one thing: A nuclear blast in a U.S. city would eclipse Sept. 11 in its horror.

"With a 10-ton nuclear weapon stolen from the former Soviet arsenal and delivered to an American city in a cargo container, al Qaeda could make 9/11 a footnote," said Allison, founding dean of Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government and a former assistant secretary of defense for policy and plans.

"And if not al Qaeda, one of its affiliates can step up, using a weapon built of (highly enriched uranium) from Pakistan or North Korea or from a research reactor in Uzbekistan," Allison wrote.

Such a bomb at noon in New York's Times Square would kill a million people in the blast itself and in collapsing buildings, fires and fallout in the following hours, he said.

"A nuclear terrorist attack is more likely than not within the next decade," he told The Chronicle. To dramatize the point, he's accepting bets, at 51-to-49 odds, on such an event.

Alarm over the prospect of a city being devastated by a terrorist nuclear bomb was sounded soon after Sept. 11, but has grown noticeably louder in recent weeks and months.

"An American Hiroshima" was the ominous title of a recent New York Times column by Nicholas Kristof. It quoted former Secretary of Defense William Perry saying there is an even chance of a nuclear terror strike in the United States in the next six years.

"We're racing toward unprecedented catastrophe," said Perry, a Stanford professor and co-director of the Stanford-Harvard Preventive Defense Project. "This is preventable, but we're not doing the things that could prevent it."

The most dangerous source of a "loose nuke" or the materials to make one, many security analysts say, are the former states of the Soviet Union, where much of the nuclear materials and weapons left over from the Cold War remain scattered and inadequately guarded.

To confront the danger, Lugar and Nunn started the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, by which the U.S. government assists former Soviet states in securing nuclear materials and weapons, a program Smith implemented when he served in the White House.

That program and similar efforts, however, receive only about $1 billion a year, just a third of the amount recommended by a bipartisan presidential commission in 2001.

"Roughly two-thirds of Russia's fissile material is inadequately secured," Carl Robichaud of the Century Foundation said a critical report in August, "What the 9/11 Commission Forgot."

At the same time, fears have been fueled by mounting evidence of terrorist groups making repeated attempts to obtain nuclear materials and weapons at the same time as potential sources multiply.

Added to the stockpiles in the former Soviet Union are the contraband exports of nuclear secrets and materials from Pakistan, Iran's uranium enrichment plans and North Korean nuclear weapons development.

At Berkeley, Smith has a somber plan, not for prevention but for the harrowing days and months after such a catastrophe. He and Professor Steven Weber, director of the Institute of International Relations at UC Berkeley, propose to study what would happen if a nuclear bomb blew up in a major city somewhere in the world.

Their proposed study, for which they seek funding, would use Moscow as the hypothetical target, given the frequent terrorist strikes in Russia.

Unlike disaster-response plans already developed by the United States and other governments for a nuclear terrorist strike, the two UC researchers want to look beyond emergency response, evacuation and radiation containment.

They ask: What precautionary plans could help avert retaliation against the wrong target, mass panic, a collapse of world trade brought on by sudden closure of ports?

If Moscow were destroyed by an anonymous bomb, what could reduce the risk of Russian retaliation mistakenly launched against Chechnya or the United States?

One of their ideas is to have a team of international technical experts prepared for immediate dispatch to assess the bomb's origin by analyzing its distinctive radioactive signature, Smith and Weber said.

"A week's delay in retaliation could literally save the world," said Smith.

It's a topic so chilling that few people want to face it, Smith said. "I'm finding what I call the psychology of denial."

Yet, given al Qaeda's many efforts to acquire nuclear materials, its desire to inflict extensive casualties and the unrelenting stepping up of the scale of its attacks, the prospects of what-if must be faced, Smith and Weber said.

"I'm a great believer in having these thinking-the-unthinkable discussions up front," Weber said. "It would be irresponsible not to plan for it."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/21/BURRESS.TMP

exitwound
11-22-2004, 03:01 PM
Excellent article. Far too few people are aware of the real global situation with regard to nuclear weapons proliferation.....ignorance of the technology and the requirements to build a weapon are widespread, and that alone is a serious problem.

Anti-proliferation efforts, focus by our intelligence agencies on this problem, and public awareness (which in turn drives political support) are all key to not watching cities disappear beneath mushroom clouds in our lifetimes.....

WannaBeRSC
11-25-2004, 11:14 AM
Tom Clancey wrote fiction about this subject (The Sum of All Fears). Also read Executive Orders for what could have happened on 9/11.

Anyone want to stick their head in the sand? At times I do. :shock:

exitwound
11-25-2004, 01:57 PM
Tom Clancey wrote fiction about this subject (The Sum of All Fears). Also read Executive Orders for what could have happened on 9/11.

Anyone want to stick their head in the sand? At times I do. :shock:

Heh, I know the feeling; the simple fact is, nuclear proliferation is reaching out-of-control levels and that's why I am an advocate for exploration/colonization of the Solar System.

The idea that we think we can survive for long, living on just one planet....is naive and silly, IMHO.

WannaBeRSC
11-25-2004, 03:09 PM
Am thinkin' 'bout the Dandilion Hypothosis, i.e.; hollow comets, asteroids, moonlets,... mobility AND a great view, all in one package :)

al-Canine
11-29-2004, 12:38 PM
Terror expert: Qaida WMD attack on US likely soon

Etgar Lefkovits, THE JERUSALEM POST Nov. 29, 2004

An al-Qaida attack on the US with non-conventional weapons is virtually "inevitable," and the organization is likely "tying up the knots" for such an attack, Yossef Bodansky, former director of the US Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, told The Jerusalem Post on Sunday.

"All of the warnings we have today indicate that a major strike – something more horrible than anything we've seen before – is all but inevitable," he said.

Bodansky, here for the second annual Jerusalem Summit, an international gathering of conservative thinkers, added that "the primary option" for the next al-Qaida attack on US soil would be one that would use weapons of mass destruction.

"I do not have a crystal ball, but this is what all the available evidence tells us, we will have a bang," Bodansky said.

He said that al-Qaida has not carried out a second major attack on the US until now for internal psychological and ideological reasons, but after the reelection of President George W. Bush, it has gotten "the green light" to do so from leading Islamic religious luminaries, as well as from "the elites of the Arab world."

According to Bodansky's reading of Osama bin Laden's mind-set, after the elaborate attacks of 9/11 there was no need for the "bin Ladens of the world" to carry out a second major attack in the US, both because the target audience of the attacks – the Arab and Islamic world – had gotten the message that America could be penetrated, and because a second attack would necessarily have to be more grandiose.

Following the attacks and the US-led war on terror, a debate started within the operational arm of the organization over the potential use of weapons of mass destruction, Bodansky said.

If, in pre-9/11 days, the theme used by bin Laden was that perpetual confrontation and jihad against the US was the only way to protect Islam, the argument now used is the ability to punish American society, Bodansky said.

"Just as the West was challenging the quintessence of Islam by means of the globalization era, there was a parallel need by Islamic extremists to strike at – and hurt – the core of American society, this time with weapons of mass destruction," Bodansky said.

A subsequent theological debate emerged within the organization, and its supporters in the Arab world, he said, over whether the mass killing of innocents is permissible.

While bin Laden and his associates argued that by virtue of their participation in US democracy, US citizens were enabling their rulers to fight, other Islamic luminaries contended that this does not permit such massive attacks, Bodansky said. The reelection of Bush in November, he said, was viewed by bin Laden and his cohorts as a decisive answer to this deliberation, with Americans now "choosing" to be the enemies of Islam. In bin Laden's mind-set, he said, the stage was set for a non-conventional attack.

Bodansky said that while there may still be some vestiges of debate and doubt within Islamic circles, he believes that planing for such an attack is finished. "They got the kosher stamp from the Islamic world to use nuclear weapons," he said.

Moreover, Bodansky said that America is losing the war against terrorism, noting the number of recruits bin Laden is able to count on, as his call to arms gains widespread support throughout the Muslim world.

In the pre-9/11 world, Bodansky said, jihadists could count on 250,000 individuals trained and willing to die, and 2.5 million–5 million people willing to help them in one way or another. He cited intelligence estimates from this summer that suggest that as many as 500,000-750,000 people are willing and trained to die, 10 million are willing to actively support them, short of killing, while another 50 million are willing to support such a movement financially.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1101615867007&p=1078113566627

exitwound
11-29-2004, 01:51 PM
Am thinkin' 'bout the Dandilion Hypothosis, i.e.; hollow comets, asteroids, moonlets,... mobility AND a great view, all in one package :)

Indeed. With all the threats that are being ballied about recently, I am wishing I knew Burt Rutan....one can hardly be blamed for wanting to have a SpaceShipOne handy for the Apocalypse :roll: 8)

WannaBeRSC
11-29-2004, 02:46 PM
Am adverse to giving up on 'Ol Planet Earth..., anyways, don't have a ship at the ready. So, here I sit. Waiting for the centipede of hate to drop the other shoes...
And then I don't wait for my government to protect my family & I.

Am not depressed, am NOT looking forward to it all, merely accept it as a fact of life.

I once held Muslims in high regard. Now I think no more of their faith than I do Jim Jones'. :(

exitwound
11-29-2004, 02:59 PM
I do enjoy Earth -- it's the vacation planet of the Solar System, that's for sure! -- but I'd rather know on my death bed that I contributed something to what is in my mind the most important frontier of the human race....

WannaBeRSC
11-29-2004, 03:11 PM
I do enjoy Earth -- it's the vacation planet of the Solar System, that's for sure! -- but I'd rather know on my death bed that I contributed something to what is in my mind the most important frontier of the human race....

Yeap, can't contest that reasoning one bit, nor the vision. Let's hope & work towards the day...

al-Canine
12-02-2004, 10:15 PM
Who is going to die?

Yossef Bodansky, the former director of the U.S. Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and a man I respect immensely for his intelligence insights, says the United States faces an "inevitable" al-Qaida attack with weapons of mass destruction.

What would be the U.S. response to such an attack?

Now is the time to think about the unthinkable.

Contingency plans need to be made. And those plans, at least some of them, need to be known to the whole world to serve as a deterrent against such an attack.

For more than 40 years, the idea of mutually assured destruction was enough to prevent the Soviet Union from launching a nuclear attack against the United States. It wasn't an ideal deterrent, but it worked.

It's not so easy to deter an attack from an enemy that doesn't have an address.

This is, in essence, on a smaller scale, the same problem Israel has faced with conventional terrorist attacks over the last 40 years.

How would the United States respond if terrorists were able to detonate a nuclear device in the United States? How should the United States respond if the terrorist enemy we face were to attack us with weapons of mass destruction?

This is not a question that can wait for an answer. We need to have the public debate now. And a policy of quick response needs to be established. The world needs to know what it will mean if the United States is attacked with unconventional weaponry.

Right now, there is no deterrent for the terrorists. There is no downside to such an attack. If we don't know where to find those responsible, like Osama bin Laden, there would be no cost to them.

But, as Bodansky makes clear, bin Laden will not be acting alone if such an attack is launched.

Bin Laden sought the "blessing" of key Islamist clerics for such an attack. Those clerics and the countries that harbor them need to be identified – now.

Following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, President Bush made clear the world would be divided into two camps throughout the war we are now waging. It would be divided, he said, into those who support the terrorists and those who support us.

Since that dramatic speech, however, the lines dividing the world have been permitted to become blurred. We have made it too easy for much of the world to sit on the sidelines and claim neutrality. We have made it too easy for our "friends" to do nothing to aid us. We have made it too easy for our adversaries to oppose us with no cost.

It's time to redraw those lines.

It's time for a clear-cut plan of retribution to protect the people of the United States from such a horrific attack.

We don't like to think about the necessity of inflicting innocent deaths. Ever since the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, many in the United States have been wringing their hands over whether it was the right thing to do. We've been second-guessing our parents and grandparents for that life-and-death decision.

Now our generation has a more wrenching decision to make.

What will we do if we're attacked again – this time with weapons of mass destruction?

We cannot afford to put off this discussion until it happens. It will be too late. At that point, it will be pure vengeance. But making the plans now and making them known to the world – as uncomfortable and unpopular as those plans might be – may be the only way to deter the deaths of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.

Here are my ideas:


* It's long past time for the United States to begin empowering the American people, particularly those most vulnerable in major cities, to protect themselves through common-sense, civil-defense measures. That means tax credits and other incentives for schools, businesses and private residences to provide fallout shelters, stockpile medical supplies and store food and water. Relocation of major population centers is not a viable option and will likely result in more death and destruction and panic. We must minimize the loss of life from such an attack, not maximize it.

* The Islamist world and its allies need to know there will be an unprecedented nuclear response to any attack on the United States with weapons of mass destruction. We don't need to be specific about which major cities and installations will be vaporized. But it needs to be clear that the response will be overwhelming, resulting in far greater death and destruction than what is inflicted upon the United States. We need to let the terrorists know that addresses of response have been determined. Those counseling the terrorists that such an attack on the United States is justified should be among the first to experience the horror.

To those who say such a response is immoral, we need only point to the balance of terror with which we lived throughout the Cold War. That balance of terror helped us survive. It helped us prevent the need to destroy the lives of millions, including many innocents.

But not preparing for such a possibility is the real immorality. By suggesting tacitly the United States will simply absorb such an attack or respond to it as we have responded to previous attacks is the real immorality. By having this national debate now and putting the world on notice, we can give the terrorists something to think about.

Do they really want to see their cities vaporized? Do they really want to see their religious centers destroyed? Do they really want to see adherents to their ideology and their faith killed in massive numbers as a direct result of their actions?

It's time for our intelligence networks to get busy on identifying the targets of retaliation. They should be numerous. They should be chosen wisely to ensure that as many as possible of the Islamist ideologues and the false prophets of death are killed. They should be chosen to ensure that, if the unthinkable happens, at least it will mean an end to this war. The targets should be chosen to inflict so much death and destruction that this evil ideology we face can never recover.

That is the only moral course for us to follow.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41709

exitwound
12-02-2004, 10:59 PM
I wholeheartedly agree -- we need to dedicate substantial resources to nuclear/WMD preparedness on all levels. That alone would be a powerful deterrent.

In fact, I intend to disseminate all possible information through this very site as much as I am able...

WannaBeRSC
12-03-2004, 08:02 PM
Howdy folks,

Ex-Navy, and know the war planners have scenarios/options of ALL types, that may be taken to the bank. That these are more secure than "secret" is obvious, and that leads to this articles premise; Letting it be known to all just what the cost will be when you act upon the idea of the use of WMD.

Tactically, they presume our cities to be static targets (they are and most be assumed to be expendable... they're history) Oddly, their cities, their mosques, their holy sites are also subject to attack.

Is it just me, or are these people ignorant of the ramifacations of this type of attack... or do they not care? Is it possible that they look forward to the destruction of themselves as long as we go down with them? For me this is a distinct and disturbing possibility.

Now I ask a strategic question; What do they get for their "bang"? From our perspective a very limited benefit. Their attack would have to be massive to be truely effective, yet would still have the effect of destroying their own valuable assets. They have the same problem as the Soviets, i.e., taking out our nuke weapon systems to preclude massive retaliation.

I need some more "out of the box" thinkin' on this one, folks. :shock:

exitwound
12-03-2004, 09:56 PM
Howdy folks,

Ex-Navy, and know the war planners have scenarios/options of ALL types, that may be taken to the bank. That these are more secure than "secret" is obvious, and that leads to this articles premise; Letting it be known to all just what the cost will be when you act upon the idea of the use of WMD.

Tactically, they presume our cities to be static targets (they are and most be assumed to be expendable... they're history) Oddly, their cities, their mosques, their holy sites are also subject to attack.

Is it just me, or are these people ignorant of the ramifacations of this type of attack... or do they not care? Is it possible that they look forward to the destruction of themselves as long as we go down with them? For me this is a distinct and disturbing possibility.

Now I ask a strategic question; What do they get for their "bang"? From our perspective a very limited benefit. Their attack would have to be massive to be truely effective, yet would still have the effect of destroying their own valuable assets. They have the same problem as the Soviets, i.e., taking out our nuke weapon systems to preclude massive retaliation.

I need some more "out of the box" thinkin' on this one, folks. :shock:

You're absolutely right about these problems. I'm going to start some new threads starting tomorrow, discussing some of them in more detail -- and exploring a range of different scenarios that people may find insightful....

candypreet
02-01-2005, 10:44 AM
Tom Clancey wrote fiction about this subject (The Sum of All Fears). Also read Executive Orders for what could have happened on 9/11.

Anyone want to stick their head in the sand? At times I do. :shock:

he is an excellent author



I once held Muslims in high regard. Now I think no more of their faith than I do Jim Jones'. :(

its not their faith, but the preacehrs who mislead thier thoughts
:D :D

Mudshark
02-01-2005, 03:03 PM
Excellent article. Far too few people are aware of the real global situation with regard to nuclear weapons proliferation.....

Plenty of people are aware. That's why some of us are baffled as to why the US administration continues to support the most blatant proliferator of them all... Pakistan.

They were caught red-handed selling serious nuclear technology/know-how to anyone with cash and the whole affair has just been swept under the carpet.

Riddle me that?

WannaBeRSC
02-06-2005, 09:56 AM
Tom Clancey wrote fiction about this subject (The Sum of All Fears). Also read Executive Orders for what could have happened on 9/11.

Anyone want to stick their head in the sand? At times I do. :shock:

he is an excellent author



I once held Muslims in high regard. Now I think no more of their faith than I do Jim Jones'. :(

its not their faith, but the preacehrs who mislead thier thoughts
:D :D

I begin to wonder. Have not read the Koran in the full, only excerpts. Seems very flowery to me, poetic. Open to interpretation shall we say. However, I agree that their Mullahs have allowed themselves to be lead astray for reasons of personal power & prestige (my assumption). These same religious leaders should be made to feel the wrath of Allah that they inflict upon others with impunity.

For the Muslim peoples to be free they must break their religious & political leaders, stone them if they must. Otherwise they are at risk when others do so for them.

Look at Iraq.